Sexual identity

BikelockFugitive

gwen Trans folk and gender nonconforming folks have it really bad in most places in the world. They suffer a great deal. Making jokes about them just isn't funny.

making jokes about it is not bad, it always depends on whether it is meant positively or negatively. i respect all sexual minorities, but one should not be so harsh. i also call myself an "omnivore".

gwen I didn't want this thread to go that direction. I apologize for feeling the troll And for using language that was redacted.

no problem. always remember: you are great the way you are, no matter what identity you have, but treating everyone the same also means that everyone has to bear the same jokes

gwen Punching down will always feel icky to me. I'll never feel good making fun of someone being fat, or someone being poor, or anyone else based upon their challenges. It's hard to joke about them without it being negative.

i am in a homosexual relationship myself and know many problems even if it is of course more difficult with people of "unclear gender" (i really can't find a better word). like all other sexual orientations and genders, you have my full support because a person remains a person.

Well, I can understand how awful it is when a relationship is not accepted by society, but some appearances of people and some definitions are a bit ... controcersial.
Once, in a museum in Firence, I say a gay couple in very thin and skinny short pants so that cou could really see every mm of their hard ...tails ... I don't mind people being gay, but having a different sexual identity is not a reason to behave as it pleases you and without any respect for tge people who are around you.
The second point is that sometimes it is hard to understand the slight differences between genders, for example: Intersexual, Non-Binary and Pansexual and Genderfluid...
You often can't see a real difference between them.

gwen gender identity and sexual identity.

Well, that difference do I actually know. Gender is how you define youself and sexual is who you are attracted to... Still, people with a different sexual identity and gender identity are both part of the LGBTQ+ cathegory.

gwen This sounds like misbehavior regardless of their sexuality.

For me, it is. The problem is that it appears to me that some people feel that they have the right to misbehave because they a re different; others, and there are many of them in contrary to the first group, feel offended when you ask people to behave normal in public because they automatically assume you to be a sexist just because you complain about some LGBTQ+ people who do misbehave.

So, many of them demand that we don't stigmatise them, but at the same time they do stigmatise us - that's a problem their sub-society needs to face.

gwen How has your sexuality influenced your experience with chastity?

No influence on it.

gwen Has your experience with chastity influenced your sexuality?

Idem,no influence.

At least,I think a woman may understand' better how I feel with my chastity belt on,but it was never a reason why I dated a woman.

saras

Or one-sided!

BikelockFugitive . For I am the Martian troll.

Ines Eh, @gwen , you can not insult here.

I agree.

Angelina

I agree too.

gwen Part of your challenge seems to be that you confound gender identity and sexual identity.

Yes, I have the problem to understand the difference.
I also not sure do I have to? If I accept you as a person as you are why must I know if you are one or another?

OK. We have the classification o male and female. But if we differentiate we see their a many colours in this two types. Do we start a long discussion every time to find out exactly what type one is and give it a special name? I don't need that to be frank.
So I have a little bit of a problem with describing gender and sexuality because I don't see why everyone needs to know that. It distracts from the real issues. I admit it can sometimes be helpful to know the exact terms and differences when talking about sexuality, but then it's just a class you more or less fit into. If I want to know exactly, you have to talk about it in detail anyway.

Max9 but having a different sexual identity is not a reason to behave as it pleases you and without any respect for tge people who are around you.

i agree, but this should be based on reciprocity

Max9 The second point is that sometimes it is hard to understand the slight differences between genders, for example: Intersexual, Non-Binary and Pansexual and Genderfluid...

i don't understand the differences either, that's why i ask people what they want to be addressed as. respect the human being as a human being and not as a gender.

Max9 with a different sexual identity and gender identity are both part of the LGBTQ+ cathegory.

can i exclude myself from the category even if i belong to it myself? i don't need left/green trends to feel represented

Angelina i don't need left/green trends to feel represented

Well, if it will bother you less, just accept the fact that all these fights for rights were not a leftist idea but an already concretized reality coming from right.
Yeah, oddly enough leftists are fighting to realize something that Gabriele D'Annunzio did more than 100 years ago.

Angelina can i exclude myself from the category even if i belong to it myself? i don't need left/green trends to feel represented

Yes, sadly acceptance is being promoted that way. I mean - the best about it is that left/green people are of of the lesst tolerant kind I know ... "Hey, I don't like driving fast, so let's forbit anybody to do so." Hey, I'm nit a trans person, but I don't force them to be different - evrn thought I'm a patriot and by that devi's son in person - by definition of the lefties...

But remember that if in some countries homosexual relationships now can receive economic validation from the country it is surely not thanks to right parties.

LoonyMel

interesting, i didn't know that. frankly, i don't need general political groups to feel represented, the best way to do that is through self-confidence and an open approach to oneself.

Angelina

Well self confidence cannot gain economic advantages from a statal sanctioned union.
Succession, taxes, house property and all kinda stuff which are granted to a male husband and a female wife were a great conquer for those who lived homosexual relationship where the nation did not accepted them.

It s not a matter of "great, we feel represented by you" but a matter of needing or not that political fight.

Think back to when someone fought to get vote rights for women or to get a human work day of less than 14 hours.

For what concerns Fiume and D'Annunzio, I gladly suggest to check it out. The human embodiment of "right" managed to get all that we are struggling today to get with modern left on his constitution.
Drugs, homosexual marriages, free love, freedom of speech and cult, all women could vote, work and public healthcare, even compensations for judiciary mistakes.

... Well then came Mussolini who kept all the right part of that constitution as a guideline, leaving behind all the libertarian part and the classical right changed.

gwen

I hope you have only left the thread and not the board...

Asking it as this post is too the last one your posted on the forum,presently...