gwen Part of your challenge seems to be that you confound gender identity and sexual identity.

Yes, I have the problem to understand the difference.
I also not sure do I have to? If I accept you as a person as you are why must I know if you are one or another?

OK. We have the classification o male and female. But if we differentiate we see their a many colours in this two types. Do we start a long discussion every time to find out exactly what type one is and give it a special name? I don't need that to be frank.
So I have a little bit of a problem with describing gender and sexuality because I don't see why everyone needs to know that. It distracts from the real issues. I admit it can sometimes be helpful to know the exact terms and differences when talking about sexuality, but then it's just a class you more or less fit into. If I want to know exactly, you have to talk about it in detail anyway.

  • Ines replied to this.

      Joh
      I admit that I believe that talk every time about sexuality is one of the things that are tiring me about these movements.
      In my livenobody asked me if I like men, never, and never I had the need of say "hello, I am Inés and I like the men".
      I do not have problem with any legal sexuality, but II wish they weren't talking about it all the time.

        Max9 but having a different sexual identity is not a reason to behave as it pleases you and without any respect for tge people who are around you.

        i agree, but this should be based on reciprocity 😉

        Max9 The second point is that sometimes it is hard to understand the slight differences between genders, for example: Intersexual, Non-Binary and Pansexual and Genderfluid...

        i don't understand the differences either, that's why i ask people what they want to be addressed as. respect the human being as a human being and not as a gender.

        Max9 with a different sexual identity and gender identity are both part of the LGBTQ+ cathegory.

        can i exclude myself from the category even if i belong to it myself? i don't need left/green trends to feel represented

                Angelina i don't need left/green trends to feel represented

                Well, if it will bother you less, just accept the fact that all these fights for rights were not a leftist idea but an already concretized reality coming from right.
                Yeah, oddly enough leftists are fighting to realize something that Gabriele D'Annunzio did more than 100 years ago.

                    Angelina can i exclude myself from the category even if i belong to it myself? i don't need left/green trends to feel represented

                    Yes, sadly acceptance is being promoted that way. I mean - the best about it is that left/green people are of of the lesst tolerant kind I know ... "Hey, I don't like driving fast, so let's forbit anybody to do so." Hey, I'm nit a trans person, but I don't force them to be different - evrn thought I'm a patriot and by that devi's son in person - by definition of the lefties...

                      /em packs up zir snowflakes, numerous pride flags, and avocado toast into a box. Then ze backs away slowly, leaving the thread to the victors.

                        But remember that if in some countries homosexual relationships now can receive economic validation from the country it is surely not thanks to right parties.

                        LoonyMel

                        interesting, i didn't know that. frankly, i don't need general political groups to feel represented, the best way to do that is through self-confidence and an open approach to oneself. 😉

                            Angelina

                            Well self confidence cannot gain economic advantages from a statal sanctioned union.
                            Succession, taxes, house property and all kinda stuff which are granted to a male husband and a female wife were a great conquer for those who lived homosexual relationship where the nation did not accepted them.

                            It s not a matter of "great, we feel represented by you" but a matter of needing or not that political fight.

                            Think back to when someone fought to get vote rights for women or to get a human work day of less than 14 hours.

                            For what concerns Fiume and D'Annunzio, I gladly suggest to check it out. The human embodiment of "right" managed to get all that we are struggling today to get with modern left on his constitution.
                            Drugs, homosexual marriages, free love, freedom of speech and cult, all women could vote, work and public healthcare, even compensations for judiciary mistakes.

                            ... Well then came Mussolini who kept all the right part of that constitution as a guideline, leaving behind all the libertarian part and the classical right changed.

                                gwen

                                I hope you have only left the thread and not the board...

                                Asking it as this post is too the last one your posted on the forum,presently...

                                • gwen replied to this.

                                    Vanessa I hope you have only left the thread and not the board...

                                    No. I'm not THAT much of an over-sensitive libtard snowflake. 🙃 I just haven't had anything to contribute to the other threads recently.

                                        LoonyMel Well self confidence cannot gain economic advantages from a statal sanctioned union.

                                        But the conclusion is that self-confidence has made it possible for people to dare to go out on the streets and fight for their rights.

                                        however, i notice again and again that it is also abused politically. when i talk to young women about my political role models, i am often looked at askance. the reason: almost all of them are old white men.

                                        I want equal opportunities for all, but not equal results.

                                        • Joh replied to this.

                                            Angelina I want equal opportunities for all, but not equal results.

                                            I am too.

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                                              kat_anders

                                              Please do not make a post like that again.
                                              It is already how polarized society is for you to put that poison in the forum.
                                              Here you can discuss almost anything, as seen in the thread about the verdict of the US Supreme Court, but you can not come up with "the left does" or "the right does".
                                              It is a highway to blow up the atmosphere of the forum.

                                                  gwen That's a pretty rude thing to say. Even if you can't understand it, people really do struggle with gender and sexual identity. Pulling up this tired meme is so dismissive to their struggles -- struggles you probably don't have to deal with.

                                                  Thisssss so much!!!!!!

                                                  BikelockFugitive this comment is very rude and disrespectful, and I am frankly disgusted by anyone liking it

                                                  EDIT: oh over a year old thread lol. Still i hold my point

                                                        That is very offensive for trans people. Like what @Maija said I feel disgusted every time I see someone enjoy making these kind of unfunny, offensive "jokes". It's kind of "jokes" that TERFs also make, and it is the most disrespectful thing a person can do to trans people.

                                                            Ines poison? excuse me? you have allowed some very vile accusations from others blaming immigrant for all inds of problems, accusing "the left" of doing this and that, without any comment. I was just replying to earlier posts that nobody had made the slightest criticism of.

                                                                kat_anders
                                                                Hello,
                                                                you can complain that something or other is done, but it will not allow itself to say that the left is bad or the right does such a thing.
                                                                We are not interested in generalist political debates that only irritate and do not contribute anything. Both people on the right and on the left are usually good and seek the best for their countries.
                                                                As you can see there are threads that deal with specific things and there you can defend the position you want, and it will not be censored as long as it is done with educational standards.
                                                                But "general causes" right vs left, no.
                                                                If you want you can open new threads and discuss other topics.