Renita Really, in this hypothetical it only matters that they are not able to unlock in a public space, so the key being either at home or in the possession of someone with a license would be sufficient. How to deal with the health and safety concerns of leaving home potentially for an extended period of time whithout access to the key is an exercise left for the reader, and a practical concern which makes this a lot better as a fantasy than as a realistic scenario.
Chastity belt law
youdontknowme That's my point. Even if there is a hypothetical way to control if a girls wear a chastity belt, but no way if she has an access to the key.
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So generally how does this work, would someone in your situation have a keyholder or does one keep the key and wear the belt to reduce the chance of arousal and subsequently acting upon it? Sorry to be dense about this.
I guess it's a bit of both. A secure belt with a key out of reach prevents masturbation, but over time the habit itself is weakened by virtue of being blocked. So for example, if something triggers my urge to masturbate and I act out, that re-enforces the trigger, but where I am triggered but then prevented from masturbating, the trigger loses some of its power.
Also I purposefully avoid triggers when I know that they'll lead to frustration.
In terms of who keeps the key... well, I think a chastity belt has to prevent sex, masturbation and removal. Where I have access to the key, I don't think the belt actually counts as a chastity belt and I'll just take it off to masturbate, or even just to avoid the discomfort of wearing it.
Over the years I've experimented with my wife holding the key, using a time safe, or depositing it far away. We're wondering whether it would be feasible to have an external person holding it, or checking numbered seals, simply to increase security. The belt isn't really a dom/sub thing for us you see, it's just a tool to achieve a goal.., to keep my eyes on my partner and to stop me playing with myself.
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Of course a virginity exam should be absolutely mandatory in this scenario.
Every quarter in school could be reasonable (in this dystopia) and in case of fail, the key holder should face sanctions, and the girl lose opportunities of achieving universitary studies, jobs with good societal consideration...
Ines The most dystopian part about this scenario, to me, is not so much the loss of sexual autonomy, as it is that you are essentially creating a lower caste, even if it is by virtue of actions that the "victim" of this arrangement has some degree of control over. I would hope there are ways a young woman could restore her honor, such as finding a husband who will accept her despite her "troubled" past, or going through a state-sanctioned penance like what Vanessa talked about in another topic. Another question is the nature of the virginity exam - the hymen seems most straightforward, but that can be broken without sexual impropriety.
Jonas Over the years I've experimented with my wife holding the key, using a time safe, or depositing it far away. We're wondering whether it would be feasible to have an external person holding it, or checking numbered seals, simply to increase security. The belt isn't really a dom/sub thing for us you see, it's just a tool to achieve a goal.., to keep my eyes on my partner and to stop me playing with myself.
Thanks, for me that was quite educational. It puts me in mind of when my father was trying to quit smoking. He would leave the cigarettes out in the car which mean that whenever he wanted one he had to think about it and then, if he still wanted it, make the effort to walk out there and of course we all knew what he was doing so he was kind of admitting a fail. But he had found a way to make the behavior inconvenient and he did eventually quit.
Avery Thanks, for me that was quite educational. It puts me in mind of when my father was trying to quit smoking. He would leave the cigarettes out in the car which mean that whenever he wanted one he had to think about it and then, if he still wanted it, make the effort to walk out there
Yep this is exactly how I view the problem. And it's very similar to how I quit smoking too. The idea is to make it as difficult as possible to act out. The only difference between the two is that cigarettes are in the shop down the road whereas masturbation is always, permanently, within arm's reach! Hence the belt.
Avery of course we all knew what he was doing so he was kind of admitting a fail.
Yes. This is easier with masturbation because although everyone now seems to talk about how healthy and natural it is, it remains absolutely socially unacceptable.
Avery he did eventually quit.
Great!! Quitting smoking is an amazing achievement and fantastic for your health.
Jonas Yep this is exactly how I view the problem. And it's very similar to how I quit smoking too. The idea is to make it as difficult as possible to act out. The only difference between the two is that cigarettes are in the shop down the road whereas masturbation is always, permanently, within arm's reach! Hence the belt.
I don't know what I'm talking about so maybe this is silly but. In the movie Raging Bull the boxer did not want to ejaculate in the days before a fight. So, if enticed by his wife, he would get a pitcher of ice water and pour it over his genitals, thus killing the urge. Whatever the case he won most of his fights.
Jonas Yes. This is easier with masturbation because although everyone now seems to talk about how healthy and natural it is, it remains absolutely socially unacceptable.
It's interesting though that in my little society we girls make jokes about our masturbation and exchange notes on stuff like Lovense. The boys, on the other hand, don't talk about it it seems because apparently they consider it an admission they can't get a girl to come across. I could probably blackmail my brothers with the knowledge that they beat off.
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Avery I don't know what I'm talking about so maybe this is silly but. In the movie Raging Bull the boxer did not want to ejaculate in the days before a fight. So, if enticed by his wife, he would get a pitcher of ice water and pour it over his genitals, thus killing the urge. Whatever the case he won most of his fights.
There's a lot of nonsense talked about masturbation, but one thing is true, (at least in my experience): Avoiding it really does give me a huge drive to succeed in all aspects of my life.
And I suppose this makes sense.... why bother doing anything if you've already fired up and exhausted your reward centres?
I don't know how much it is socially acceptable now to talk about such things, all I know is that I could smoke on a street corner! Lol.
youdontknowme I would hope there are ways a young woman could restore her honor, such as finding a husband who will accept her despite her "troubled" past
In order to maintain drama, I think marriage it is not forbidden, but it should not be a well societal accepted marriage. I mean, as you say, she is a lower cast.
youdontknowme Another question is the nature of the virginity exam - the hymen seems most straightforward, but that can be broken without sexual impropriety.
Yes, but it has two advantages, allows to have "more or less" control that any girl or keyholder cheat the system, and that girl has to be extremely careful. Probably any keyholder would allow her girl any "experience" knowing the much she is risking.
Laura Then the law should be about virginity and I believe it's there in few countries
Not really, @Laura , but even it is not perfect, is the easiest system. If I am the mother of a girl, even if she has a good behavior, as I know the dangers, I would be very strict with chastity belt due I do not want she spoils her life.
But all about this "dystopia". You know only thing I support will be a mandatory wearing of chastity belt in University. Easy of checking and with nice consequences.
Ines In order to maintain drama, I think marriage it is not forbidden, but it should not be a well societal accepted marriage. I mean, as you say, she is a lower cast.
No opportunity for redemption? Talk about casting the first stone! That world seems ripe for a revolution.
Ines and that girl has to be extremely careful. Probably any keyholder would allow her girl any "experience" knowing the much she is risking.
Sounds like thigh bands would be in common use not so much to keep wandering hands in check, but to restrict physical activity.
well, we got used to having to endure certain restrictions during corona. i don't really see the difference. if the government could find a reason why chastity belts are good and useful, they can enforce it. that's exactly how the government managed to do it with the masks at corona, i couldn't imagine that 2 years ago either. wait a few more years and chastity belts could also become a reality
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Angelina well, we got used to having to endure certain restrictions during corona. i don't really see the difference. if the government could find a reason why chastity belts are good and useful, they can enforce it. that's exactly how the government managed to do it with the masks at corona, i couldn't imagine that 2 years ago either. wait a few more years and chastity belts could also become a reality
Eeek! Do you think over-population or farming insufficiency could ever lead to a literal governmental clamp down on sexual activity?
Angelina if the government could find a reason why chastity belts are good and useful, they can enforce it. that's exactly how the government managed to do it with the masks at corona,
Hmm. Not wearing a mask is perfectly obvious and makes enforcement easy. Other than being in a really good humor it's not clear to me how law enforcement would identify people who are getting themselves laid.
Jonas Eeek! Do you think over-population or farming insufficiency could ever lead to a literal governmental clamp down on sexual activity?
Honestly, while I do not want to derail this topic any more than I already have, it would be a refreshing change for western governments to discourage breeding for once.
Angelina well, we got used to having to endure certain restrictions during corona. i don't really see the difference.
"Having to endure" seems like a strong word for masks. I find it quite reasonable to wear them, in fact I have taken to wearing them more often than legally required, sometimes to the ridicule of otherwise reasonable people (who do wear their masks where required). I mean, I am already required to wear pants for the sake of my fellow citizens, what more is one tiny piece of fabric?
On the other hand, with some other restrictions, I very much begrudgingly obeyed them knowing that there was a specific and important cause and it would be for a limited time if society behaves reasonably. The latter portion has sadly become a very big "if", but I am glad that "not leaving the house unless absolutely necessary" and "only meet with one person who is not from your household" had quickly served their purpose.
I could see a justification for requiring chastity belts in public spaces (though not their continued wear once in the privacy of your home), mainly as a prevention for sexual misconduct, but considering how impractical chastity belts are that emergency removal is something that should always be on a belt user's mind, I do not see that becoming the norm any time soon.
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youdontknowme Honestly, while I do not want to derail this topic any more than I already have, it would be a refreshing change for western governments to discourage breeding for once.
It's a serious issue, and one which in combination with environmental/farming pressure could conceivably lead to the fantasy dystopia being discussed here.
On the wider topic; I think widespread chastity would be more likely through chemical or wetware intervention than metal belts.
The latter could only possibly succeed where chastity belts had been heavily promoted both socially and as desirable fashion items. Until there's a "swoosh" on my new belt I won't believe it likely.