Chastity belt law

Lana I always thought a cage was totally unnecessary for men, if they can't control their own mind, it shows the level of perversion

how about women who can't control their own mind? A belt or cag eis not necessarily because you want to prevent masturbation - for me it is because I just like the way it feels to be locked... and depending on tge belt you also can't anymore get hit in the balls.

Lana they are clearly trolls. The way parents handle boys and girls are really different,

no, usually they treat both the same. What you describe is definitely a minority. You usually love both all of your children tge same and you also treat them the same.

Lana true for girls, patents try to control us even after we move out.

In some abusing households females are surpressed, sure, but that's a situstion the police has to deal with.

Lana So if you wear a cage for fetish/bondage reason, it's fine but don't pretend it's to help you focus and it helps you to prevent masturbate because it's pure bullshit.

Yes, a belt / cage doesn't help yoz to stay focused when being free of it often and regulary and as long as you don't have a serious addiction to self-pleasure.
I don't wear the belt because it's my fetish. I wear it because I love the feeling of being locked, as well as the feeling of protection it gives me.

Lana The way parents handle boys and girls are really different, they let boys go free after a certain age but it's not true for girls, patents try to control us even after we move out

Very true, boys in my family are not restricted at all

Lana If you want to stop abuses against women, you punish those who do that severely and send them to jail.

We already do that, and it is not effective against people who only think about consequences after the act, who believe themselves invulnerable until they are caught. The use of chastity devices would in this case be similar to how certain states (and most European countries) restrict who can sell firearms and to whom, or the fact that you need a licence to drive a car - you need to demonstrate that you can responsibly use a tool before you are allowed to handle it. I also believe that crime prevention is about the only justifiable reason why the government should be interested in promoting the involuntary use of such devices.

Lana Most women wear or is made to wear is because they want to be protected.

Protected from what, exactly? Also, if it is in the wearer's own interest to wear the belt, why would the government force people to wear them with no release? I guess there are precedents for that in seat belt law, but blaming any case of unwanted sex on a woman inadequately protecting herself (which is a baggage your gender-unequal law proposal would carry with it whether you intend for that or not) is quite dangerous.

Lana Few loose women are just as perverted as men who lock themselves in a cage, they are called as whores.

So women with a higher sex drive are automatically less of a woman because of it? And prostitutes are no real women either? Because to me, that is what your post sounds like to me.

[unknown] When I say control,I don't mean domestic violence. I mean every decision or change we make should be approved by our parents when we are young or approved by our partners when we are married. That's just how life works for the majority of women.

That can still be abuse even if no physical violence is involved. Obviously parents have some justified influence on how their children live their lives while those children are minors, but for married adults, unless the "approved by partner" thing goes both ways (or both sides willingly consented to a more one-sided approach), it may be an is, but it is definitely not a should.

Max9 no, usually they treat both the same.

Well, here I disagree in part. However you are right in some things, sexuality can not be treated equally, because things that are very important for us, do not have any importance for boys.

youdontknowme there are parents who consider a daughter who has had unmarried sex spoiled goods, whereas no such thing is typically thought of sons.

It is not matter of "goods", we are people, exactly same than boys, but obviously sexual awakening in girls have much more transcendence than in boys, so, usually we should be more controlled. But I doubt any parents think about their girls as " goods".

Lana In an ideal world, that's the case but it's the sad reality

I do not see it, necessarily, as something sad. We are different. It is sad when there is disrespect or contempt.

youdontknowme Protected from what, exactly?

Protection of inner and outer dangers!

youdontknowme it may be an is, but it is definitely not a should.

Well, a lot of girls search this. I am not saying all the girls, but a lot of us look for diligent men, so, as far as it is willingly, I like boys behave as boys. It is much easier for me, for example, and I like it. And no, I do not like/want/accept being beaten, I do not accept a man tell me constantly what can/can not do, but in general, I like men have initiative. A lot of girls, again I am generalizing, we are a bit lazy, and we like boys keep the course of relationship.

youdontknowme I would argue no, it does help cut down on habitual masturbation, with many men struggling with habitual masturbation being borderline addictive. There are a lot of men out there who feel like their sex life is suffering from habitual/addictive masturbation, and who need help trying to quit masturbation completely or at least cut it down to a healthy level. There are programs like NoFap that provide support groups for men trying to quit masturbation

Count this as another thing I had no idea about that I have learned here. I have three brothers and I know they enjoy masturbation but I never in the world thought this could become a problem.

Ines It is not matter of "goods", we are people, exactly same than boys, but obviously sexual awakening in girls have much more transcendence than in boys, so, usually we should be more controlled. But I doubt any parents think about their girls as " goods".

Unfortunately, there are terrible parents out there, who would disown their daughter for having premarital sex, or their son for being gay. Thankfully they are rare, but even one such family is one too many.

Ines Well, a lot of girls search this. I am not saying all the girls, but a lot of us look for diligent men, so, as far as it is willingly, I like boys behave as boys. It is much easier for me, for example, and I like it.

Again, I am making an exception for when both partners freely agree to have one of them "in charge". But when it is not a free choice of both, but pressure from society, family or the other partner, that results in such an arrangement, the potential for abuse is high, even if there is no physical violence involved.

Avery Count this as another thing I had no idea about that I have learned here. I have three brothers and I know they enjoy masturbation but I never in the world thought this could become a problem.

Some guys do it 5 times a day and then cannot get it up if they find a willing partner. Those are the people for whom masturbation is a problem, and some people try to quit cold turkey like a smoker trying to stop smoking. Though seeking out a therapist may be a more productive idea than locking it up and throwing away the key, especially since unresolved arousal can lead to other forms of problematic behavior.

gwen I'd emigrate so that my taxes would no longer fund this horrible government.

what would you say if the government exempted every woman who wears a chastity belt from paying taxes? i admit i would think about it

a brief comment on this thread.
i feel like this is somehow going in the wrong direction and turning into a discussion about female versus male chastity and i wonder if we need to discuss this seriously. we have men and women here on the forum who voluntarily or involuntarily wear a chastity device, a few are trolls, but generally both genders have sexual needs and desires and also the desire to control their own sexuality (or parents or partners have the desire). i know i'll get some backlash, but i would suggest treating male and female chastity equally.

Angelina Indeed, we are getting quite distracted by that position, the only reason I brought up the benefits of male chastity is because I do not want laws to create more gender discrimination.

youdontknowme Some guys do it 5 times a day and then cannot get it up if they find a willing partner. Those are the people for whom masturbation is a problem

Wow. News to me. On the other hand I have heard of guys beating off before a date so they would last longer once they were with the girl. But now that you mention it, here I have read of people wanting their daughters in belts so their supposedly excessive efforts at masturbation would not interfere with their studies.

youdontknowme Protected from what, exactly?

I was assaulted twice. Once while running on our university's running track in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon.

youdontknowme Thanks for the sympathy.

Avery youdontknowme Thanks for the sympathy.

While I am not sure whether this was serious (i.e. in reference to my statement that a rape victim is not at fault) or sarcastic (i.e. in reference to my lack of explicit condolences), I do feel the need to apologize that I have not offered emotional support. I tend to not be good at that stuff, a flaw that is probably found in many that share my gender.

Once again, you are not at fault for having been assaulted. That fault lies solely with those who assaulted you - not with you not having worn a chastity belt back then. The fact that you felt the need to take your safety into your own hands is a failing of society to stop those actions before they occur, through education, law enforcement and not condoning the behavior leading up to it. You are not weak for having become a victim in the past, you are strong for braving the rigors of chastity belt wear to ensure that you will not become a victim again. I can only wish that something like this never again happens to you or anyone you hold dear.

youdontknowme a failing of society to stop those actions before they occur, through education, law enforcement and not condoning the behavior leading up to it.

It is not so easy.
Saddely, exist a type of criminals that are the rapists.
It is not fault of education or tolerance. Same that exist killers of house breakers.
I say saddely because, in my opinion is the worst of offenses.

Lana So no girl voluntarily locks herself to prevent masturbation but men do. This shows women have more self control than men. Few loose women are just as perverted as men who lock themselves in a cage, they are called as whores.

Woah there Turbo.

Ines We still could do a lot to make such crimes less common, both in terms of cultural shifts toward abolishing the sexual conquest narrative and in terms of nipping bad behavior in the bud early on so that it does not escalate to the point of assault.

youdontknowme

youdontknowme We still could do a lot to make such crimes less common, both in terms of cultural shifts toward abolishing the sexual conquest narrative and in terms of nipping bad behavior in the bud early on so that it does not escalate to the point of assault.

I think it is not related at all.
A rapist has a mental issue, (however most of them are totally responsible), normal men do not like obtain pleasure with the suffering of a girl, so it is a kind of crime that you can not avoid.
It is very Socratic try to avoid crimes with education.
A robber, is a criminal, and a rapist, the same, education is not important here.

Ines Of course education can only be one part of a larger solution. But education and culture has a track record of reducing crime more effectively than harsh sentencing, through several means, and of course it is not as simple as telling people that crime is wrong:

• Social behavior reinforces biases and beliefs. If, for example, a bunch of boys tell each other that girls owe them sexual favors, a few of them (probably the most mentally unstable) might try to take what they believe to deserve by force.
• Similarly, if someone brags about his latest escapade of less-than-consensual sex to his peers and receives positive feedback, that reinforces his belief that this behavior is acceptable. Similarly, other members of the group may be inspired to try it themselves.
• Much like physical health issues, mental health issues tend to get worse over time if left untreated. Therefore, it is important to detect and respond to problematic behavior before it becomes criminal.
• A culture of shame around being taken advantage of prevents victims from speaking up and their attackers from becoming known.

Now, of course none of that makes rapists a product of their circumstances, and a person should obviously be judged for their actions. And changing societal circumstances will of course not eliminate every rape. Still, I believe the number of sexual offenses can be drastically reduced with a culture of sensitivity.

youdontknowme Indeed, we are getting quite distracted by that position, the only reason I brought up the benefits of male chastity is because I do not want laws to create more gender discrimination.

well, for me at least in the forum it is an unwritten law that we treat everyone as equally as possible. and frankly, I find the main topic too interesting to turn it into a gender fight.

Ines A rapist has a mental issue, (however most of them are totally responsible)

thank you for saying that, finally someone who addresses the right thing. it is quite clear that rape is a crime and it is not the woman's fault if she is raped, whether with or without a chastity belt. the situation that the belt protects the woman from rape must not actually come about and a normal man knows that too.

Lana As people have mentioned earlier, this is getting toxic and let's all stop discussing this issue and discuss something else.

the last sentence was the one you are right about, i don't want to comment on the rest because you are calling for violence and i can't discuss that seriously.