Chastity belt law

Lana If you want to stop abuses against women, you punish those who do that severely and send them to jail.

We already do that, and it is not effective against people who only think about consequences after the act, who believe themselves invulnerable until they are caught. The use of chastity devices would in this case be similar to how certain states (and most European countries) restrict who can sell firearms and to whom, or the fact that you need a licence to drive a car - you need to demonstrate that you can responsibly use a tool before you are allowed to handle it. I also believe that crime prevention is about the only justifiable reason why the government should be interested in promoting the involuntary use of such devices.

Lana Most women wear or is made to wear is because they want to be protected.

Protected from what, exactly? Also, if it is in the wearer's own interest to wear the belt, why would the government force people to wear them with no release? I guess there are precedents for that in seat belt law, but blaming any case of unwanted sex on a woman inadequately protecting herself (which is a baggage your gender-unequal law proposal would carry with it whether you intend for that or not) is quite dangerous.

Lana Few loose women are just as perverted as men who lock themselves in a cage, they are called as whores.

So women with a higher sex drive are automatically less of a woman because of it? And prostitutes are no real women either? Because to me, that is what your post sounds like to me.

[unknown] When I say control,I don't mean domestic violence. I mean every decision or change we make should be approved by our parents when we are young or approved by our partners when we are married. That's just how life works for the majority of women.

That can still be abuse even if no physical violence is involved. Obviously parents have some justified influence on how their children live their lives while those children are minors, but for married adults, unless the "approved by partner" thing goes both ways (or both sides willingly consented to a more one-sided approach), it may be an is, but it is definitely not a should.

Max9 no, usually they treat both the same.

Well, here I disagree in part. However you are right in some things, sexuality can not be treated equally, because things that are very important for us, do not have any importance for boys.

youdontknowme there are parents who consider a daughter who has had unmarried sex spoiled goods, whereas no such thing is typically thought of sons.

It is not matter of "goods", we are people, exactly same than boys, but obviously sexual awakening in girls have much more transcendence than in boys, so, usually we should be more controlled. But I doubt any parents think about their girls as " goods".

Lana In an ideal world, that's the case but it's the sad reality

I do not see it, necessarily, as something sad. We are different. It is sad when there is disrespect or contempt.

youdontknowme Protected from what, exactly?

Protection of inner and outer dangers!

youdontknowme it may be an is, but it is definitely not a should.

Well, a lot of girls search this. I am not saying all the girls, but a lot of us look for diligent men, so, as far as it is willingly, I like boys behave as boys. It is much easier for me, for example, and I like it. And no, I do not like/want/accept being beaten, I do not accept a man tell me constantly what can/can not do, but in general, I like men have initiative. A lot of girls, again I am generalizing, we are a bit lazy, and we like boys keep the course of relationship.

youdontknowme I would argue no, it does help cut down on habitual masturbation, with many men struggling with habitual masturbation being borderline addictive. There are a lot of men out there who feel like their sex life is suffering from habitual/addictive masturbation, and who need help trying to quit masturbation completely or at least cut it down to a healthy level. There are programs like NoFap that provide support groups for men trying to quit masturbation

Count this as another thing I had no idea about that I have learned here. I have three brothers and I know they enjoy masturbation but I never in the world thought this could become a problem.

Ines It is not matter of "goods", we are people, exactly same than boys, but obviously sexual awakening in girls have much more transcendence than in boys, so, usually we should be more controlled. But I doubt any parents think about their girls as " goods".

Unfortunately, there are terrible parents out there, who would disown their daughter for having premarital sex, or their son for being gay. Thankfully they are rare, but even one such family is one too many.

Ines Well, a lot of girls search this. I am not saying all the girls, but a lot of us look for diligent men, so, as far as it is willingly, I like boys behave as boys. It is much easier for me, for example, and I like it.

Again, I am making an exception for when both partners freely agree to have one of them "in charge". But when it is not a free choice of both, but pressure from society, family or the other partner, that results in such an arrangement, the potential for abuse is high, even if there is no physical violence involved.

Avery Count this as another thing I had no idea about that I have learned here. I have three brothers and I know they enjoy masturbation but I never in the world thought this could become a problem.

Some guys do it 5 times a day and then cannot get it up if they find a willing partner. Those are the people for whom masturbation is a problem, and some people try to quit cold turkey like a smoker trying to stop smoking. Though seeking out a therapist may be a more productive idea than locking it up and throwing away the key, especially since unresolved arousal can lead to other forms of problematic behavior.

gwen I'd emigrate so that my taxes would no longer fund this horrible government.

what would you say if the government exempted every woman who wears a chastity belt from paying taxes? i admit i would think about it

a brief comment on this thread.
i feel like this is somehow going in the wrong direction and turning into a discussion about female versus male chastity and i wonder if we need to discuss this seriously. we have men and women here on the forum who voluntarily or involuntarily wear a chastity device, a few are trolls, but generally both genders have sexual needs and desires and also the desire to control their own sexuality (or parents or partners have the desire). i know i'll get some backlash, but i would suggest treating male and female chastity equally.

Angelina Indeed, we are getting quite distracted by that position, the only reason I brought up the benefits of male chastity is because I do not want laws to create more gender discrimination.

youdontknowme Some guys do it 5 times a day and then cannot get it up if they find a willing partner. Those are the people for whom masturbation is a problem

Wow. News to me. On the other hand I have heard of guys beating off before a date so they would last longer once they were with the girl. But now that you mention it, here I have read of people wanting their daughters in belts so their supposedly excessive efforts at masturbation would not interfere with their studies.

youdontknowme Protected from what, exactly?

I was assaulted twice. Once while running on our university's running track in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon.

Avery I would personally take the words of the noFap community with a bit of salt as well, but members of that community report that they have become so accustomed to their hand that nothing else can quite push their buttons anymore, so they cannot really enjoy any sex they end up having, and sometimes ruin it for their partner as well.

There is a lot of crazy in that community, and it looks like a significant overlap with the incel community, who hope that they can finally score if they do not relieve their arousal on a regular basis. I consider that to be quite a ludicrous proposition; the one thing incels do not need is to be more desperate for sex.

Avery I was assaulted twice. Once while running on our university's running track in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon.

I can see a government effort promoting chastity belts for added security against that, similar to how governments and police forces often promote home security measures against burglary. But making it mandatory for the part of the population that is most commonly the victim of such crimes reeks of misplaced blame, it opens the door to people saying "if only she wore a chastity belt this would not have happened to her". Any law that introduces mandatory (or effectively mandatory, if we take a look at some current events in the world) chastity for anyone needs to make sure that this perception is avoided.

youdontknowme Thanks for the sympathy.

youdontknowme a failing of society to stop those actions before they occur, through education, law enforcement and not condoning the behavior leading up to it.

It is not so easy.
Saddely, exist a type of criminals that are the rapists.
It is not fault of education or tolerance. Same that exist killers of house breakers.
I say saddely because, in my opinion is the worst of offenses.

Lana So no girl voluntarily locks herself to prevent masturbation but men do. This shows women have more self control than men. Few loose women are just as perverted as men who lock themselves in a cage, they are called as whores.

Woah there Turbo.

Ines We still could do a lot to make such crimes less common, both in terms of cultural shifts toward abolishing the sexual conquest narrative and in terms of nipping bad behavior in the bud early on so that it does not escalate to the point of assault.

youdontknowme

youdontknowme We still could do a lot to make such crimes less common, both in terms of cultural shifts toward abolishing the sexual conquest narrative and in terms of nipping bad behavior in the bud early on so that it does not escalate to the point of assault.

I think it is not related at all.
A rapist has a mental issue, (however most of them are totally responsible), normal men do not like obtain pleasure with the suffering of a girl, so it is a kind of crime that you can not avoid.
It is very Socratic try to avoid crimes with education.
A robber, is a criminal, and a rapist, the same, education is not important here.

Ines Of course education can only be one part of a larger solution. But education and culture has a track record of reducing crime more effectively than harsh sentencing, through several means, and of course it is not as simple as telling people that crime is wrong:

• Social behavior reinforces biases and beliefs. If, for example, a bunch of boys tell each other that girls owe them sexual favors, a few of them (probably the most mentally unstable) might try to take what they believe to deserve by force.
• Similarly, if someone brags about his latest escapade of less-than-consensual sex to his peers and receives positive feedback, that reinforces his belief that this behavior is acceptable. Similarly, other members of the group may be inspired to try it themselves.
• Much like physical health issues, mental health issues tend to get worse over time if left untreated. Therefore, it is important to detect and respond to problematic behavior before it becomes criminal.
• A culture of shame around being taken advantage of prevents victims from speaking up and their attackers from becoming known.

Now, of course none of that makes rapists a product of their circumstances, and a person should obviously be judged for their actions. And changing societal circumstances will of course not eliminate every rape. Still, I believe the number of sexual offenses can be drastically reduced with a culture of sensitivity.

youdontknowme Indeed, we are getting quite distracted by that position, the only reason I brought up the benefits of male chastity is because I do not want laws to create more gender discrimination.

well, for me at least in the forum it is an unwritten law that we treat everyone as equally as possible. and frankly, I find the main topic too interesting to turn it into a gender fight.

Ines A rapist has a mental issue, (however most of them are totally responsible)

thank you for saying that, finally someone who addresses the right thing. it is quite clear that rape is a crime and it is not the woman's fault if she is raped, whether with or without a chastity belt. the situation that the belt protects the woman from rape must not actually come about and a normal man knows that too.

Lana As people have mentioned earlier, this is getting toxic and let's all stop discussing this issue and discuss something else.

the last sentence was the one you are right about, i don't want to comment on the rest because you are calling for violence and i can't discuss that seriously.

Lana What you are saying is there will be more dead people. No there will be dead rapists and not innocent people.

As I wrote in a earlier posting it is unforgivable that something like this happened to you. It is a shame for our society that it still happens.

I will not start this kind of discussion who has the right to live and who not.
I was pointing out that also the criminals have guns. I do not see an improvement at this situation.

Some people say we should have more surveillance cameras everywhere. What kind of improvement would it be if after a crime was happen we can see it on the record and maybe sue the criminal. We should make the environment safe through sufficient police presence and strengthening of civil courage so that it does not come to a dangerous situation in the first place. I have seen it on the Reeperbahn in Hamburg where police groups are on the road or at the stations in Melbourne at the weekend. That has made a difference.

Firstly,@Lana,being aggressive on men(especially at the start of the topic)would not lead to an interesting discussion,so please calm down.

Lana

It would be very awful for the women...

But,for the wearers like me,it would not be a big change,except we can wear it without having to hide it...

And it should end at marriage.

I think it should apply to both genders,anyway,even if for men,it would be harder(due to the fact they need to get erect for health reasons,and to the fact it can be painful for them).

Laura

Even if engaged?

Ines I edit fantasy tag

Right.

Lana they would invent a smart chastity belt which can be remotely opened by an app.

Very useful for hackers,who could unlock or block the unlocking(already done for some chastity cages using such features).

youdontknowme have a lot of gender-based double standards when it comes to promoting sexual abstinence.

Typically the case for my twin and me.Not the same rules about it at all...

Lana for the sole purpose of preventing masturbation.

And sex before marriage,often.

Avery this could become a problem.

Only if addicted,and excessive.

Angelina i feel like this is somehow going in the wrong direction and turning into a discussion about female versus male chastity

Right...

Lana As people have mentioned earlier, this is getting toxic and let's all stop discussing this issue and discuss something else.

Maybe splitting this topic could be useful.