Angelina Indeed, we are getting quite distracted by that position, the only reason I brought up the benefits of male chastity is because I do not want laws to create more gender discrimination.
Chastity belt law
youdontknowme Some guys do it 5 times a day and then cannot get it up if they find a willing partner. Those are the people for whom masturbation is a problem
Wow. News to me. On the other hand I have heard of guys beating off before a date so they would last longer once they were with the girl. But now that you mention it, here I have read of people wanting their daughters in belts so their supposedly excessive efforts at masturbation would not interfere with their studies.
youdontknowme Protected from what, exactly?
I was assaulted twice. Once while running on our university's running track in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon.
Avery I would personally take the words of the noFap community with a bit of salt as well, but members of that community report that they have become so accustomed to their hand that nothing else can quite push their buttons anymore, so they cannot really enjoy any sex they end up having, and sometimes ruin it for their partner as well.
There is a lot of crazy in that community, and it looks like a significant overlap with the incel community, who hope that they can finally score if they do not relieve their arousal on a regular basis. I consider that to be quite a ludicrous proposition; the one thing incels do not need is to be more desperate for sex.
Avery I was assaulted twice. Once while running on our university's running track in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon.
I can see a government effort promoting chastity belts for added security against that, similar to how governments and police forces often promote home security measures against burglary. But making it mandatory for the part of the population that is most commonly the victim of such crimes reeks of misplaced blame, it opens the door to people saying "if only she wore a chastity belt this would not have happened to her". Any law that introduces mandatory (or effectively mandatory, if we take a look at some current events in the world) chastity for anyone needs to make sure that this perception is avoided.
youdontknowme Thanks for the sympathy.
Avery youdontknowme Thanks for the sympathy.
While I am not sure whether this was serious (i.e. in reference to my statement that a rape victim is not at fault) or sarcastic (i.e. in reference to my lack of explicit condolences), I do feel the need to apologize that I have not offered emotional support. I tend to not be good at that stuff, a flaw that is probably found in many that share my gender.
Once again, you are not at fault for having been assaulted. That fault lies solely with those who assaulted you - not with you not having worn a chastity belt back then. The fact that you felt the need to take your safety into your own hands is a failing of society to stop those actions before they occur, through education, law enforcement and not condoning the behavior leading up to it. You are not weak for having become a victim in the past, you are strong for braving the rigors of chastity belt wear to ensure that you will not become a victim again. I can only wish that something like this never again happens to you or anyone you hold dear.
youdontknowme a failing of society to stop those actions before they occur, through education, law enforcement and not condoning the behavior leading up to it.
It is not so easy.
Saddely, exist a type of criminals that are the rapists.
It is not fault of education or tolerance. Same that exist killers of house breakers.
I say saddely because, in my opinion is the worst of offenses.
Ines We still could do a lot to make such crimes less common, both in terms of cultural shifts toward abolishing the sexual conquest narrative and in terms of nipping bad behavior in the bud early on so that it does not escalate to the point of assault.
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Lana The whole point of 2nd amendment is to protect ourselves using firearms or tasers and pepper spray in places where we can't use firearms.
It is not a solution of the problem. If everyone has firearms, as it is possibly in USA, you get more dead people than in other countries but not a lower crime rate.
I support what @youdontknowme wrote obove. For me this has a better change to solve the problem instead to file around on the impact.
youdontknowme We still could do a lot to make such crimes less common, both in terms of cultural shifts toward abolishing the sexual conquest narrative and in terms of nipping bad behavior in the bud early on so that it does not escalate to the point of assault.
I think it is not related at all.
A rapist has a mental issue, (however most of them are totally responsible), normal men do not like obtain pleasure with the suffering of a girl, so it is a kind of crime that you can not avoid.
It is very Socratic try to avoid crimes with education.
A robber, is a criminal, and a rapist, the same, education is not important here.
Ines Of course education can only be one part of a larger solution. But education and culture has a track record of reducing crime more effectively than harsh sentencing, through several means, and of course it is not as simple as telling people that crime is wrong:
- Social behavior reinforces biases and beliefs. If, for example, a bunch of boys tell each other that girls owe them sexual favors, a few of them (probably the most mentally unstable) might try to take what they believe to deserve by force.
- Similarly, if someone brags about his latest escapade of less-than-consensual sex to his peers and receives positive feedback, that reinforces his belief that this behavior is acceptable. Similarly, other members of the group may be inspired to try it themselves.
- Much like physical health issues, mental health issues tend to get worse over time if left untreated. Therefore, it is important to detect and respond to problematic behavior before it becomes criminal.
- A culture of shame around being taken advantage of prevents victims from speaking up and their attackers from becoming known.
Now, of course none of that makes rapists a product of their circumstances, and a person should obviously be judged for their actions. And changing societal circumstances will of course not eliminate every rape. Still, I believe the number of sexual offenses can be drastically reduced with a culture of sensitivity.
youdontknowme Indeed, we are getting quite distracted by that position, the only reason I brought up the benefits of male chastity is because I do not want laws to create more gender discrimination.
well, for me at least in the forum it is an unwritten law that we treat everyone as equally as possible. 
and frankly, I find the main topic too interesting to turn it into a gender fight. 
Ines A rapist has a mental issue, (however most of them are totally responsible)
thank you for saying that, finally someone who addresses the right thing. it is quite clear that rape is a crime and it is not the woman's fault if she is raped, whether with or without a chastity belt. the situation that the belt protects the woman from rape must not actually come about and a normal man knows that too.
Lana As people have mentioned earlier, this is getting toxic and let's all stop discussing this issue and discuss something else.
the last sentence was the one you are right about, i don't want to comment on the rest because you are calling for violence and i can't discuss that seriously.
Lana What you are saying is there will be more dead people. No there will be dead rapists and not innocent people.
As I wrote in a earlier posting it is unforgivable that something like this happened to you. It is a shame for our society that it still happens.
I will not start this kind of discussion who has the right to live and who not.
I was pointing out that also the criminals have guns. I do not see an improvement at this situation.
Some people say we should have more surveillance cameras everywhere. What kind of improvement would it be if after a crime was happen we can see it on the record and maybe sue the criminal. We should make the environment safe through sufficient police presence and strengthening of civil courage so that it does not come to a dangerous situation in the first place. I have seen it on the Reeperbahn in Hamburg where police groups are on the road or at the stations in Melbourne at the weekend. That has made a difference.
Firstly,@Lana,being aggressive on men(especially at the start of the topic)would not lead to an interesting discussion,so please calm down.
It would be very awful for the women...
But,for the wearers like me,it would not be a big change,except we can wear it without having to hide it...
And it should end at marriage.
I think it should apply to both genders,anyway,even if for men,it would be harder(due to the fact they need to get erect for health reasons,and to the fact it can be painful for them).
Even if engaged?
Ines I edit fantasy tag
Right.
Lana they would invent a smart chastity belt which can be remotely opened by an app.
Very useful for hackers,who could unlock or block the unlocking(already done for some chastity cages using such features).
youdontknowme have a lot of gender-based double standards when it comes to promoting sexual abstinence.
Typically the case for my twin and me.Not the same rules about it at all...
Lana for the sole purpose of preventing masturbation.
And sex before marriage,often.
Avery this could become a problem.
Only if addicted,and excessive.
Angelina i feel like this is somehow going in the wrong direction and turning into a discussion about female versus male chastity
Right...
Lana As people have mentioned earlier, this is getting toxic and let's all stop discussing this issue and discuss something else.
Maybe splitting this topic could be useful.
The word "pervert" comes up a lot in this thread. What unpleasant thread it was to read.
Jonas
I have said a lot of times that I can not understand the purpose of male chastity belts, however I have learned to respect.
You are right. In a first time post did not seem, such aggressive, but now, I read it twice, and yes, even if I can not share the approach to male chastity, some words are not adequate.
Now, putting the issues with gender discrimination and how to deal with sex crime aside, here are some ways in which I could see a world where chastity is dictated by policy:
1) Institutional policy. Basically, though there is no law mandating chastity, several institutions (e.g. colleges) might mandate the wearing of chastity devices as a condition of enrolment. While claims that it would reduce distractions are quickly revealed to be false, it did cut down significantly on people who regret drunk sexual escapades.
2) Ya got a loicense for dat? Imagine like just how we require people to demonstrate that they are able to use their motor vehicles and firearms responsibly before we let them handle those in public, people were required to prove their ability to behave responsible sexually before they were allowed to go out in public without a chastity device on.
3) Cultural tradition. Again, no laws mandating any of that, but wearing a chastity belt might be a social norm. I will not start a discussion of starting age here, but wearing your first chastity device might be a coming-of-age right, and young adults living with their parents would have their keys held by them, married people would typically have their keys held by their spouse (to guarantee and demonstrate marital fidelity - this is not necessarily an act of submission, so mutual keyholding within a couple might be totally in line with the tradition). As for singles living on their own... either an older family member living nearby, or a trusted authority in the local community or a community-appointed guardian or something along those lines that ensures the wearer can keep themself sanitary without unchaste behavior. I am kinda getting the mental image of a medieval village where the priest is simultaneously teacher and therapist as well - in a more modern, religiously pluralistic setting something like a medical clinic or something could come to mind.
Angelina what would you say if the government exempted every woman who wears a chastity belt from paying taxes? i admit i would think about it
I'm a willing wearer. So I'd wear the belt, and use the proceeds to oppose the use of it to oppress people. All a government would have to do is pass punitive taxes to turn that tax exemption into coercion.