Ines With young onvicts, not arrested but in the jail, it should be mandatory, as forensic proof that they have not suffered abuse and that, in the sentence, they do not spend their time doing inappropriate things.

Ines in the sentence, they do not spend their time doing inappropriate things.

I hate this comment and I think it is wrong. Lots of very wrong comments are posted here but not normally by you. Criminals in prison are still people. Their punishment is to be locked away from society not dehumanised. Not forced into mandatory hymen checks.

        Jen
        I guess we can not agree in everything...
        Of course they are persons, but I am not talking about miss treat them but about certain discipline.
        Time in jail can not be "leisure" time in my opinion.
        I am a little surprised that you consider that because I didn't allow those habits in prison, I didn't consider those girls people.
        I think you give much more importance to this point than me.

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            Ines I think you give much more importance to this point than me

            It's the forced virginity checks - the idea of it is as bad as a forced chastity belt. Like I don't know and haven't thought about what's allowed in prison - but using it as an excuse for forced checks.. no no

                First of all I would like to thank @Sin, a very interesting topic.

                To be honest, I'm a little surprised because I think they're two completely different things. I personally don't think much of virginity tests because the hymen can also tear through other activities. but i think the restoration of the hymen is something that can also be beautiful. For example, if I were to be raped, I would like to have that option.

                i think it's right when the state takes action, when it happens against a woman's will and in any case when violence plays a role, but what about those who want it voluntarily?

                I see it frankly like @Laura. It's none of the state's business, it's not a medical issue, as has already been correctly written here, but an emotional one. I frankly find it disgusting when a government presumes to make decisions about a person's body

                I could write more about this, but I don't want to write about being politically enraged again, so I'll leave it at that

                Jen
                It is good for girls too, in order to avoid abuses inside jail.
                However, I think I give to this less importance than you, (I respect you approach).

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                  Jen It's the forced virginity checks - the idea of it is as bad as a forced chastity belt.

                  You don't need a special law if you are forced. There are laws against it already

                      Laura You don't need a special law if you are forced. There are laws against it already.

                      Often it's the police / military / jailers / employers who do it.

                        is it even allowed to do this in prisons? @Jen is right, criminals are still human beings and have at least basic human rights.

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                          Angelina They do it in Turkey under the guise of obtaining evidence of sexual assault whilst in custody... the fact that the act itself constitutes assault seems to be lost on them. Or perhaps that's the point...

                          It's prevalent thoughout Muslim countries (Egypt, Iran, Indonesia to name a few), and perhaps not surprisingly, many conservative Christian countries like Russia.

                              Sin

                              that is inhumane, it should be up to everyone whether it happens privately (as long as everyone agrees), but no state has the right to order or tolerate such things in state institutions and prisons belong to it

                                Sin They do it in Turkey under the guise of obtaining evidence of sexual assault whilst in custody...

                                And probably, at beginning is not bad idea, probably in some countries, abuses are probable.
                                Probably too, the good first idea was twisted.

                                  You don't need to be a doctor to check your daughter's hymen.

                                    The theory is very nice, but it will continue to be done. It's preferable for a nurse to do it rather than for a dirty old woman to do it clandestinely.

                                    HHelen You don't need to be a doctor to check your daughter's hymen.

                                    that is true, but for one thing the standard of hygiene is higher and for another there is no risk of accidentally destroying the hymen during the check.

                                      Kaja Nobody has right to do this! It only the girls thing.

                                      A chastity belt is a good alternative.

                                          HHelen A chastity belt is a good alternative.

                                          but only in direct comparison. whereas the hymen does not always tear during masturbation (it never did for me) and the chastity belt is therefore more restrictive.

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