youdontknowme From a rather pro-nudism perspective, I would argue that a bikini might even be more provocative than toplessness or full nudity is, because it sort of singles out the chest as an area that deserves special attention, which seems rather inappropriate to me with prepubescent girls. I would definitely favor a one-piece bathing suit for younger girls like that from a modesty perspective,

Sorry to editorialize but I find this all very interesting. One may say they are pro-nudism but also have very specific ideas about what exactly is appropriate and when and for whom.

I know my father has no problem with me being with boys while I am in a bikini but if they saw me in my underwear, which covers about the same, he would be very displeased.

      Joh Maybe it is colder here and we have less beach

      No doubt true. But she is in America now. Six years in Cincinnati (which American football team went to the Super Bowl last year, to her great joy). It is hot there.

        youdontknowme bikini might even be more provocative than toplessness or full nudity is

        That's exactly why I didn't like that she was given a bikini in the first place. Since she always wanted to wear it is clear. It made her feel like she was a big girl.

        youdontknowme it is important to establish that different clothing styles are appropriate for different situations

        That was always clear to her, with the exception of this vacation, without that we would have ever talked about it. In the sauna or at home naked is OK, on the street never.

              Laura And demonstrate non-respect this way

              Of course I don't usually do that. sometimes in summer i only wear a long t-shirt and my metal underwear for breakfast in the morning. it is all about. my dad supervise my showers, which means he sees me naked anyway and regardless of what we all think of it, it makes sense that it doesn't matter if he sees me naked in the bathroom or in the living room. But mostly it's too cold anyway 😅

              something general about clothing. i don't think it's really wrong when children who, even if they are over 18, still live with their parents adapt to their parents' wishes when it comes to clothing. of course the parents should also give the children the necessary freedom and i think there is a difference between in the house and in public. Example: my daughter wants to wear hot pants and a crop top. she can do that at home. I wouldn't want that at a party, whether she's 15 or 22

                  Avery I know my father has no problem with me being with boys while I am in a bikini but if they saw me in my underwear, which covers about the same, he would be very displeased.

                  Usually you will wear the bikini at the beach or swimming pool. There it is the normal clothing and in such places you will certainly not do with the guys what you should not. 😉
                  But when are you in underwear? Apart from the locker room, probably in your room. That means it's a much more dangerous situation to do something you're not supposed to. You understand?

                    Angelina my dad supervise my showers

                    How did you feel in the beginning when your father saw you naked? How is it now?

                        Mr-TM How did you feel in the beginning when your father saw you naked? How is it now?

                        it was never nice and it still isn't nice but i've gotten used to the fact that it's part of the system to keep me from masturbating

                            Angelina it was never nice

                            Was being naked before the cb already an topic with you?

                                Avery Sorry to editorialize but I find this all very interesting. One may say they are pro-nudism but also have very specific ideas about what exactly is appropriate and when and for whom.

                                As I said, higher stakes. No adult nudist (caveat: excluding some crazy people, activists and people who practice both exhibitionism and nudism - and those groups may overlap) would walk down a busy street naked, but a child who has rarely been discouraged from taking off their clothes at home might need some lessons on the subject of where nudity is appropriate and where it is not, or there is potential for some seriously awkward situations.

                                Angelina something general about clothing. i don't think it's really wrong when children who, even if they are over 18, still live with their parents adapt to their parents' wishes when it comes to clothing. of course the parents should also give the children the necessary freedom and i think there is a difference between in the house and in public. Example: my daughter wants to wear hot pants and a crop top. she can do that at home. I wouldn't want that at a party, whether she's 15 or 22

                                Limited agree. You should be able to talk about that matter like adults and negotiate the matter. I absolutely think it is only proper that the adult child takes their parents wishes into account when they still live under the parents' roof, but I do not think one-sided dictation is appropriate. But it would be totally fair to, say, expect some/more contribution to the household costs in exchange for increased freedom or something like that.

                                      Avery I know my father has no problem with me being with boys while I am in a bikini but if they saw me in my underwear, which covers about the same, he would be very displeased.

                                      Same for me.

                                      Angelina Example: my daughter wants to wear hot pants and a crop top. she can do that at home. I wouldn't want that at a party, whether she's 15 or 22

                                      I will not allow it in home neither.

                                          Angelina it is all about. my dad supervise my showers, which means he sees me naked anyway and regardless of what we all think of it, it makes sense that it doesn't matter if he sees me naked in the bathroom or in the living room

                                          I thought this kind of stuff was now verboten.

                                              Avery
                                              seeing other people in the nude is not per se wrong. I am in a profession where this is often necessary.
                                              The difference between right or wrong is not in the degree of nudity but in the intent of the people involved.

                                                  curious seeing other people in the nude is not per se wrong. I am in a profession where this is often necessary.
                                                  The difference between right or wrong is not in the degree of nudity but in the intent of the people involved.

                                                  This is true. Some necessary nudity in a professional setting is different from a man watching his teenage daughter take her showers.

                                                      Avery This is true. Some necessary nudity in a professional setting is different from a man watching his teenage daughter take her showers.

                                                      Agree.

                                                        Avery
                                                        What I wanted to point out is:
                                                        If watching her showers is purely for the purpose of ensuring the chastity regime is upheld (no matter if you agree that that regime is right or wrong - that´s a totally different discussion) and he does not have any sexual feelings or gets aroused by this , I would consider this a technical necessity comparable to nudity in the professional setting.

                                                            curious

                                                            As wearer, I see it very differently. Wearing a chastity belt does not mean no intimacy.
                                                            A man never ever should see naked girls.

                                                                Avery The United States is much more uptight about nudity then most other Western counteries. Probably come from our Puritan forefathers. It is relaxing slowly. In the 60's the strippers had to wear pasties on their nipples. Then they let them use liquid latex on their nipples. Now, they can just be bare. Father watching a teenage daughter shower, I don't think we will go there.

                                                                    It always depends on why.
                                                                    My daughter, for example, still wanted to shower with me when she was 8 years old, but my son did not. So what! We made a lot of nonsense in the shower and had fun. But that never had anything to do with arousal on my part. That's exactly how I creamed her back after the shower, at her request.
                                                                    When you see your child grow up from birth, your child, whether naked or clothed, has nothing at all to do with sex, that you can not imagine if you have not experienced it. Until the questions about sexuality come.

                                                                    Mr-TM sorry, I don’t see the issue here - she’s 8, not 16. She has no top to emphasise. You could show her that beachwear isn’t always appropriate but I wouldn’t make a huge deal out of it, unless you think men will start staring at her (at 8?)

                                                                        hanna_anders unless you think men will start staring at her (at 8?)

                                                                        That was probably the unconscious trigger. But I did not find it appropriate that an 8 year old only dressed in a bikini goes on a sightseeing tour. On the campsite, which was right on the lake I accepted that even if I was not pleased about it.