Mr-TM sorry, I don’t see the issue here - she’s 8, not 16. She has no top to emphasise. You could show her that beachwear isn’t always appropriate but I wouldn’t make a huge deal out of it, unless you think men will start staring at her (at 8?)
How do you raise your children?
hanna_anders unless you think men will start staring at her (at 8?)
That was probably the unconscious trigger. But I did not find it appropriate that an 8 year old only dressed in a bikini goes on a sightseeing tour. On the campsite, which was right on the lake I accepted that even if I was not pleased about it.
Mr-TM Was being naked before the cb already an topic with you?
not really a topic, but I didn't really pay much attention to it. I have no problems with my body, I don't have to present myself naked, but what happens happens
youdontknowme but I do not think one-sided dictation is appropriate.
I wouldn't do that either, but not if my daughter were 15 either. I would explain to her why she shouldn't go to the party like that. my example should only make it clear that only when the daughter is grown up, the arguments against such an outfit don't change
curious The difference between right or wrong is not in the degree of nudity but in the intent of the people involved.
That's right, if I was taking a shower and my father had to go to the bathroom because he has to go to the toilet or something, that wouldn't be a problem for me, the problem is why he sees me in the shower
that's exactly how it is and honestly. he doesn't stand in front of me like a general and observe every action. he usually sits on the toilet lid, plays with his smartphone and only occasionally makes sure that my hands are not on intimate areas for too long
Ines A man never ever should see naked girls.
ok, let's assume for a moment that i would wear the belt voluntarily, then it would actually be the same. Unfortunately, I don't have a mother, so my father would have to do it too if I were a volunteer.
Angelina ok, let's assume for a moment that i would wear the belt voluntarily, then it would actually be the same. Unfortunately, I don't have a mother, so my father would have to do it too if I were a volunteer.
I'm confused. What is "it" that your father would have to do? I wear mine voluntarily and my father never sees me naked. No one does. I certainly don't let anyone at school ever see me in it and no one at home ever does, except in some very odd circumstance like I have it on in the middle of the night and go out to the bathroom and someone just happens to be up at the same time and sees me in the hall.
Avery What is "it" that your father would have to do?
to monitor me when I take a shower. if i wore the belt voluntarily, then my goal would be chastity and it would be better if i wasn't alone in the shower and could masturbate, right? all the girls here have weak moments, that's what i mean
Angelina if i wore the belt voluntarily, then my goal would be chastity and it would be better if i wasn't alone in the shower and could masturbate, right? all the girls here have weak moments, that's what i mean
Good. I have a suggestion. When I have a weak moment when in bed, I get out of bed, put the belt on, put the key under the mattress and get back into bed. Similarly, when you have a weak moment in the shower just step out, put the belt on and continue as best you can. If your goal is chastity I'm sure you can successfully shower most of the time and things will be OK.
I found I had to develop solutions to problems and you could too. Incidentally, I solved the shower problem by showering in a place where others are present. But of course this is not usually available to people.
Mr-TM I find that admirable discipline. Only very few people have this.
Thank you. I do feel I have some advantages. First, I want to do this. No one is forcing me. Also, I have no lover and have always needed a person to focus my sexual desires on. Without one I just don't think about it that much. I think that's fairly common among women, not so much men. Also, again, the hook-up kind of culture I have found at university does not attract me. I was sexually active when I was in high school and we saw the same guys all the time and had time to develop an attraction for them.
Nice discussion. But I have one question (maybe not directly addressed here, but also related). Such a summary - did you have, do you have... any restrictions on what you had to or could not wear? at home? outside?.... With yours chastity underwear...
Avery Those people that came early then over the years migrated west and a lot of other immigrants came to the West coast with other religions and determination.
I just saw from California they are trying to decriminalize sex work. It may take a few tries but like marijuana they will probably get there. Probably about time. Again we are one of the few western countries where sex work is illegal in every way.
bdsamm I just saw from California they are trying to decriminalize sex work. It may take a few tries but like marijuana they will probably get there. Probably about time. Again we are one of the few western countries where sex work is illegal in every way.
Well again this subject came up in relation to raising one's children and attitudes toward nudity so I think some talk is appropriate in this thread. I was never taught that sex work was wrong, in fact when I worked at the homeless shelter in Haverhill, MA when I was in high school I got to know several prostitutes, and my parents did not object. Of course, none of these women bore any resemblance to Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, they spent much of their earnings on booze and cigarettes and often slept under the bridges. Cops seemed to take a relaxed view, busting men who tried to set up as pimps but not these women who had nothing except their bodies.
So I would think it good if California could adopt a model such as the one they have in Nevada, which seems to work just fine. The workers make good money under safe conditions. It would be a while, I think, before many children were raised to think this was a legitimate way to make a living, but a lot of girls from poor backgrounds might benefit. I find it charming, by the way, that the political action group set up to promote the Nevada operation is known as the NBA - Nevada brothel association). Only we Americans probably would know that is the name of the professional basketball league.
Finally, Boston, a big college town, is awash with stories about girls who paid their way through Harvard stripping in Revere, MA.
Avery Cops seemed to take a relaxed view, busting men who tried to set up as pimps but not these women who had nothing except their bodies.
That is actually how it works in most of Europe - in some places, like Germany, prostitution is legal but pimping most definitely is not. On others, for example Sweden, there are laws against prostitution, but they criminalize then johns, not the hookers. Because the primary reason for banning prostitution is how vulnerable prostitutes are to abuse, and it is hard to call a law just when it punishes the victims.
Speaking of bodies though, why is it that sex work is commonly referred to as "selling one's body", but back-breaking labor and hazardous jobs are not?
Avery obviously you are in a liberal state. In some states, the cops spend half their time busting prostitutes. As your Patriots Owner found out down in Florida. Don't know how Kraft came out on that but it was ridiculous. Here they keep after the massage parlors but more or less as a sideline.
youdontknowme Speaking of bodies though, why is it that sex work is commonly referred to as "selling one's body", but back-breaking labor and hazardous jobs are not?
Men who need money to support their families often seek out risky/hard jobs because the money is better, cops, firemen, construction, etc. A better question might be why is it OK for a man to sell his body doing hard labor but a woman cannot sell her body (some places) to earn a living as a sex worker.
you have impressive willpower if you can do it like that, i don't think i would be able to do it like that. if i wanted to wear a belt voluntarily and my goal was absolute chastity, then i would need a key holder and yes also supervised showers, otherwise i probably wouldn't be able to control myself
Ines Well, you could have timed showers.
well, how much time do i need for a shower and how much for an orgasm? i can't say exactly either, so that's out of the question
C-B just a quick summary (it is not existing here) when it was mentioned.
well, i have to choose my clothes so that i hide the belt (or other devices) well, that can be hard in summer