Angelina Perhapse all fakes? That would mean no risk to be caught. It is like the Fermi-paradox (aliens, that should be here, but no visitors and no signals in the darkness of space). It can be solved, when no aliens exist at all.
The number of boys and girls here, claiming to wear a chastity belt means the possibility of a minor wearing a belt being caught is not zero. I'm here for a long time, but it never happened. When such a teenager would be caught wearing a belt in school (or on other public events) you would read about it, I'm sure. Then we could see, what happened with the parents.
But this has never happened.

      curious

      well, i believe my father that he is really doing this to protect me, it is definitely the wrong way, but because i can understand his motivation better now, i don't go to the authorities. however, i am surprised, that so far there have been no cases where a girl has decided otherwise.

      a_father

      even if a girl is caught doing it, it doesn't mean that others will get involved. look, girls get beaten up on the street without passers-by helping her, they just walk by. many will rather think "not my business", the same goes for the chastity belt

            Angelina I'm not sure. A chastity belt is something very unusual. And unusual things are interesting. And a teacher in school must report such a discovery to the authorities.
            By the way, I havent read something from one mother making her minor daughters wear a chastity belt her in the forum. Perhapse one of them was caught.... What II want to say is, in this case members would just disappear and nobody would notice. To protect the victim a trial would take place behind closed doors. So nobody can say if it has happened till now.
            And concerning your father: What is he trying to protect you from? This is the question you should ask him. There is no need to protect you from making love with your girlfriend...

                a_father There is no need to protect you from making love with your girlfriend...

                To some folks all orgasms are created equal, whether with a guy, a girl, or alone.

                  a_father And concerning your father: What is he trying to protect you from? This is the question you should ask him. There is no need to protect you from making love with your girlfriend...

                  my father is concerned with two aspects. on the one hand, the fact that sexual pleasure would keep me too much from important things like studies/work/household etc., i disagree, but it's his opinion. on the other hand, he wants me to have a certain maturity before I become sexually active. he sees that maturity as a given when I'm mature enough to say I want to marry someone

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                      I know when I pleasure myself regularly I become more and more selfish.
                      Why pay attention to your spouse when you can indulge with much less effort, it takes effort to romance and please your spouse.
                      In short It damages our relationship and I lack the self control to not do it so she happily holds the keys to my pleasure and I’m glad she is willing to. It make the times we come together much more intense and enjoyable.

                        Cb85 I feel kind of similar. Even if I don't think that masturbation is a bad thing in general, I think the fact that my husband is in control of my sexuality helps me a lot to focus on our relationship and him. Sexual activities are so much better when they are done together, even if I am not allowed to orgasm most of the time My husband can of course masturbate whenever he wants but I am happy and a bit proud that he doesn't do it but instead comes to me.

                            Sara2001 Sexual activities are so much better when they are done together, even if I am not allowed to orgasm most of the time My husband can of course masturbate whenever he wants but I am happy and a bit proud that he doesn't do it but instead comes to me.

                            That's fine if you are happy with it, and you are so it's great, but I would worry that this attitude in a man, that the woman must come exclusively to him for sexual satisfaction, is just a remnant of the patriarchy. I.e. that the woman is the man's property.

                            • Cb85 replied to this.

                                Avery what about in my case. I’m the one going to my wife for fulfillment?
                                Just cuz a woman is doing so doesn’t mean she is beholden to some old law. Why can’t ppl just be doing what they want.

                                    Cb85 what about in my case. I’m the one going to my wife for fulfillment?
                                    Just cuz a woman is doing so doesn’t mean she is beholden to some old law. Why can’t ppl just be doing what they want.

                                    The two cases are different. Clearly, I think.

                                    In your case you, a man, are deciding you will refrain from masturbation. You are doing what you want. Fine.

                                    The case I stated is where a man decides that the woman must come only to him for satisfaction. It is not her choice. Meanwhile, he continues to masturbate. Or maybe he doesn't, considering it unmanly not being able to get a woman to do him. In any case he has made the decision for her. Or for both of them, if you like. Not so fine.

                                        Avery It is not her choice.

                                        So at least @Sara2001 has voluntarily decided to do so.

                                        I find it interesting to talk about something. we all always say that women shouldn't be the property of their husbands and men shouldn't be the property of their wives either. However, if both are the case at the same time, I believe that a perfect marriage of equal rights is created.
                                        i experience it too often that people in marriages behave absolutely selfishly and think that there is a mistake that many justify with independence and freedom, i don't have to be that in a marriage, i can be the property of my partner and that just as long as as long as my partner is also my property

                                            Angelina If both are property, than neither is property. The key to an owner-property relationship is in its asymmetry, where the owner is free to exploit the relationship at their pleasure, whereas the property has no choice but to go along with the owner's will. A relationship where both "belong to each other" is not one where anyone is property.

                                                youdontknowme If both are property, than neither is property.

                                                you can see it that way, I see it differently. I would be willing to follow my girlfriend's wishes unconditionally and she would be willing to follow mine. Of course that's not everyday life, we discuss most of it, but we know that it can be like that. calling yourself someone's property doesn't necessarily mean that there has to be an asymmetry, it just means that your partner is extremely important to you, in case of doubt even more important than yourself

                                                  Basically, I think masturbation is completely normal and useful the sexual development of adolescents. Even in a relationship or marriage it should be mostly unproblematic, as long as the sexuality of the partnership is more important and is not affected.

                                                  Nevertheless, after twelve years of marriage, I gave it up, first as an experiment and permanently for the last 17 years. The basis is a kind of vow, not in the religious sense, but just as binding.

                                                  And why? The kinky part of my personality developed while my wife had no corresponding fantasies. After a while I recognized that the combination of kinky fantasies and masturbation might get more important compared to than intimate moments with my wife. I felt something had to change, we talked a lot and came to a solution: I gave up masturbation - for the first years without a CB - while my wife tried to understand and accept what I was missing. I have the impression that my wife is as happy with the result as I am. It's not perfect, sometimes the chastity belt is really a frustrating hindrance, but it's the best compromise we could find.

                                                  Angelina So at least @Sara2001 has voluntarily decided to do so.

                                                  Exactly. It is my free decision to live this lifestyle.

                                                  Angelina I find it interesting to talk about something. we all always say that women shouldn't be the property of their husbands and men shouldn't be the property of their wives either. However, if both are the case at the same time, I believe that a perfect marriage of equal rights is created.

                                                  I am not his property. I voluntary submit to him. We different roles and rules in our marriage but not different value.

                                                  I don't think equal rights are necessary for a happy and fulfilling marriage as long as everything is consensual.

                                                        Angelina But giving you a release or a little pleasure with your girlfriend from time to time would not be in conflict with his goals.
                                                        I think, he has to explain. When you are together with your girlfriend you have a break from your studies and you other task. So no reason to have no pleasure. What he says means you have to work and study always. That's not the case.
                                                        I'd like to know, what he has to say to these arguments.

                                                            Sara2001 I am not his property. I voluntary submit to him. We different roles and rules in our marriage but not different value.

                                                            I understand that, I wasn't really talking about you either, but about how mutual dominance and subservience could balance each other out 🙂

                                                            a_father

                                                            As I said before, there are two crucial reasons, please read the second one again, it answers your question. my father wants me to get married to show that i'm mature enough to be able to make decisions about my sexuality, he sees that as a given when i make an equally mature decision to marry someone

                                                                  Angelina But "he wants..." What do you want? It's up to you now, not to him.
                                                                  He forces you to marry, to be free. What, if you regret later? You marry at the first possible time and your father is the reason.
                                                                  Would you wait with marriage, if you were free? (That's a rhetorical question)
                                                                  I know from my own life, that the biggest changes in my outlook on life took place between the age of 18 and perhapse 26 (and your girlfriend is even younger than you) when Iooking back at the age of 51.
                                                                  With 18 I was convinced I knew what life is....
                                                                  You think you are mature and an adult, but you are not. But you have to marry, to be able to bring your partnership with your girfriend to the next level.
                                                                  If it fails, it's your father's fault, not yours, but you have to suffer. I'll never understand that kind of parents. He wants to protect you, but this is the opposite.
                                                                  I keep my fingers crossed that your life succeeds, but the start conditions are far from optimal and you and your father could easily make conditions better

                                                                      a_father

                                                                      just to be clear, the belt plays a role in the wedding, of course, but not the main role. i love my girlfriend and have asked her several times if she is ready to marry me and have thought about it myself more than once. i would not put pressure on myself or my girlfriend to get married if we did not feel ready.

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                                                                        Andrew Have you considered that religion comes in different forms?

                                                                        E.g. deep believers, but also "social practitioners that go a couple of times to the Church for old traditions".

                                                                        (The fact that our "believers" are mostly the second kind, might be a reason why we need to import Polish priests 😉 )

                                                                        Any way, that way you can have the funny situation that you have a society that might fill out on a survey "not very religious", but at the same time show preferences for traditions that would make a Jesuit wince about the medieval mindset. (Abusing the cheap preconceptions here)

                                                                        BTW, I just described my in-laws, and according to my wife they are one of the most progressive ones in their village. (After the decades, I sadly have to agree, about my in-laws and about them being progressives in that hellhole,)

                                                                        More general, a normative authority might influence a population even after it stopped being a normative authority, think for example about the end of Communism in Poland, it took also a generation (or be honest, more than one), before certain mindsets were gone (e.g. the need to "organize" stuff) from the general population.