Why do you think masturbation is wrong?

Angelina I think it is at least illegal if it happens against the will of the child because children also have a right to develop freely sexually.

In Germany - yes. But would that hold true in very conservative states in the US? I am not sure your interpretation is a given there. You have to balance the right of a child to develop freely against the right of parents to decide how a child is raised. And in those very conservative states the second might well get the higher priority in courts.
But again, as long as this is not testet in court, we will never know and everything we say one way or the other is just speculation.

curious But again, as long as this is not testet in court, we will never know and everything we say one way or the other is just speculation.

Yes, I agree, may I add that I'm surprised that court cases like this haven't existed for a long time? I mean here in the forum alone is already enough "potential", which surprises me

curious @Angelina lives in Germany and we talk about her.

Angelina
I am not at all surprised. I mean.... look at your own case.
By your own classification you are Involuntary wearer but you kind of accept the decision your father has made. Given the price tag of a good belt, parents who are not really interested in the well-being of their children would not invest that kind of money. But if parents are so interested in the well being of their children, this usually would reflect in a pretty good relationship. And if the trust and emotional connection is good, just like with you the belt will be accepted as part of the parental authority (even though you don't like it), but you would not take your father to court to get out, would you?

curious

well, i believe my father that he is really doing this to protect me, it is definitely the wrong way, but because i can understand his motivation better now, i don't go to the authorities. however, i am surprised, that so far there have been no cases where a girl has decided otherwise.

a_father

even if a girl is caught doing it, it doesn't mean that others will get involved. look, girls get beaten up on the street without passers-by helping her, they just walk by. many will rather think "not my business", the same goes for the chastity belt

Angelina I'm not sure. A chastity belt is something very unusual. And unusual things are interesting. And a teacher in school must report such a discovery to the authorities.
By the way, I havent read something from one mother making her minor daughters wear a chastity belt her in the forum. Perhapse one of them was caught.... What II want to say is, in this case members would just disappear and nobody would notice. To protect the victim a trial would take place behind closed doors. So nobody can say if it has happened till now.
And concerning your father: What is he trying to protect you from? This is the question you should ask him. There is no need to protect you from making love with your girlfriend...

a_father There is no need to protect you from making love with your girlfriend...

To some folks all orgasms are created equal, whether with a guy, a girl, or alone.

a_father And concerning your father: What is he trying to protect you from? This is the question you should ask him. There is no need to protect you from making love with your girlfriend...

my father is concerned with two aspects. on the one hand, the fact that sexual pleasure would keep me too much from important things like studies/work/household etc., i disagree, but it's his opinion. on the other hand, he wants me to have a certain maturity before I become sexually active. he sees that maturity as a given when I'm mature enough to say I want to marry someone

I know when I pleasure myself regularly I become more and more selfish.
Why pay attention to your spouse when you can indulge with much less effort, it takes effort to romance and please your spouse.
In short It damages our relationship and I lack the self control to not do it so she happily holds the keys to my pleasure and I’m glad she is willing to. It make the times we come together much more intense and enjoyable.

Sara2001 Sexual activities are so much better when they are done together, even if I am not allowed to orgasm most of the time My husband can of course masturbate whenever he wants but I am happy and a bit proud that he doesn't do it but instead comes to me.

That's fine if you are happy with it, and you are so it's great, but I would worry that this attitude in a man, that the woman must come exclusively to him for sexual satisfaction, is just a remnant of the patriarchy. I.e. that the woman is the man's property.

Avery what about in my case. I’m the one going to my wife for fulfillment?
Just cuz a woman is doing so doesn’t mean she is beholden to some old law. Why can’t ppl just be doing what they want.

Avery It is not her choice.

So at least @Sara2001 has voluntarily decided to do so.

I find it interesting to talk about something. we all always say that women shouldn't be the property of their husbands and men shouldn't be the property of their wives either. However, if both are the case at the same time, I believe that a perfect marriage of equal rights is created.
i experience it too often that people in marriages behave absolutely selfishly and think that there is a mistake that many justify with independence and freedom, i don't have to be that in a marriage, i can be the property of my partner and that just as long as as long as my partner is also my property

Angelina If both are property, than neither is property. The key to an owner-property relationship is in its asymmetry, where the owner is free to exploit the relationship at their pleasure, whereas the property has no choice but to go along with the owner's will. A relationship where both "belong to each other" is not one where anyone is property.

youdontknowme If both are property, than neither is property.

you can see it that way, I see it differently. I would be willing to follow my girlfriend's wishes unconditionally and she would be willing to follow mine. Of course that's not everyday life, we discuss most of it, but we know that it can be like that. calling yourself someone's property doesn't necessarily mean that there has to be an asymmetry, it just means that your partner is extremely important to you, in case of doubt even more important than yourself

Basically, I think masturbation is completely normal and useful the sexual development of adolescents. Even in a relationship or marriage it should be mostly unproblematic, as long as the sexuality of the partnership is more important and is not affected.

Nevertheless, after twelve years of marriage, I gave it up, first as an experiment and permanently for the last 17 years. The basis is a kind of vow, not in the religious sense, but just as binding.

And why? The kinky part of my personality developed while my wife had no corresponding fantasies. After a while I recognized that the combination of kinky fantasies and masturbation might get more important compared to than intimate moments with my wife. I felt something had to change, we talked a lot and came to a solution: I gave up masturbation - for the first years without a CB - while my wife tried to understand and accept what I was missing. I have the impression that my wife is as happy with the result as I am. It's not perfect, sometimes the chastity belt is really a frustrating hindrance, but it's the best compromise we could find.

Angelina So at least @Sara2001 has voluntarily decided to do so.

Exactly. It is my free decision to live this lifestyle.

Angelina I find it interesting to talk about something. we all always say that women shouldn't be the property of their husbands and men shouldn't be the property of their wives either. However, if both are the case at the same time, I believe that a perfect marriage of equal rights is created.

I am not his property. I voluntary submit to him. We different roles and rules in our marriage but not different value.

I don't think equal rights are necessary for a happy and fulfilling marriage as long as everything is consensual.

Angelina But giving you a release or a little pleasure with your girlfriend from time to time would not be in conflict with his goals.
I think, he has to explain. When you are together with your girlfriend you have a break from your studies and you other task. So no reason to have no pleasure. What he says means you have to work and study always. That's not the case.
I'd like to know, what he has to say to these arguments.