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youdontknowme

Andrew Looking at that city near that large bay in central California and the sexual norms there, "I grew up with Francisco" can have a much different meaning than anything that pope Francis would approve of.

Ines

curious

curious I could go on and on like this.

Yes, of course, as a big I institution had mistakes, and I said it in my first post, but, it seems that you are more nterested in read your own posts and little in read the posts of the others.

And you can ask to those guessed millions of cristianized by sword, what was the option in a lot of places before the Catholic Church: Human sacrifices, slavery...

Ask the millions of children rescued of mines.
Ask the millions of women that have micro loans of Church to start their business.
Ask the millions of people cared in Christian hospitals in areas where nobody has a single doctor.
Ask the girls rescued of prostitution in bad areas of South America...

Anyway, You will continue to be convinced of the evil of the Church as I am convinced of its greatness.

curious There are actually very few organisations (if any at all) in the world that have more blood on their hands than the catholic church.

I think every empire has much more blood and none so many people helped.

Ines

Andrew I grew up with Franco"

😂😂

My parents barely lived under his government.

Pope Francisco, I mean. However, General Franco' s first name was Francisco, too.

hanna_anders

Andrew So do ideological atheists (millions of victims of communism)

Atheists do not go around killing people because they are not atheists. The ruthlessness and evil of Stalinism was not an anti religious crusade. The fact that communism opposed religion is irrelevant to their actions.

Andrew

hanna_anders Atheists do not go around killing people because they are not atheists. The ruthlessness and evil of Stalinism was not an anti religious crusade. The fact that communism

And what was the action of exterminating all religious denominations in the USSR from the October Revolution until 1941??? What were the crimes against representatives and faithful of churches after the communists took power in all the countries of Central Europe after 1945?

Ines

hanna_anders The fact that communism opposed religion is irrelevant to their actions.

About 150.000 people were killed in Spain by communist government only because they were Catholics. Several thousand of nuns raped and tortured.

However, we are spoiling the thread.

hanna_anders

Andrew And what was the action of exterminating all religious denominations in the USSR from the October Revolution until 1941??? What were the crimes against representatives and faithful of churches after the communists took power in all the countries of Central Europe after 1945?

this was to destroy a rival to the communist governments control over people. Atheism is NOT a religion, it isnt trying to destroy religion. All you are highlighting is the action of brutal governments and individuals.
I'd also say that chrisitanity was never exterminated in the USSR, condisering how quickly it rose after the fall of communism. It merely went underground. Now, of course, we have the Russian orthodox church supporting Putin's attempts to destroy Ukraine. I know a lot of very devout christians, and a lot of atheists. I couldnt tell you which were more or less evil, but I cant find a single instance in history where atheists killed religious poeple just becaise they were atheists.

Angelina

Ines but Catholic Church is by far, the biggest benefactor of the world.

that may even be true, because the church is big, but just as big are the countless outrages they have done in the past and present in the name of god.

Ines About 150.000 people were killed in Spain by communist government only because they were Catholics. Several thousand of nuns raped and tortured.

right, because they were communists. and in general please do not equate atheists with communists, i am an atheist myself and as most people know anti-communist.

Kaja

Angelina Yes the reason was that they were comunists (and there are the same monsters like nacist), not that the were atheist.

Ines

Please...
I said it some posts ago...

Stop.

Foxies

Ines Catholic Church is by far, the biggest benefactor of the world.

Ines.

While you and I are far apart in many of our deep beliefs, I find myself in strong agreement to the vast majority of your statements. However, the one I quoted above finally gives me pause for thought. Perhaps you might be interested in the link I attach below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRcYaAYWg4&t=127s

I know English isn't your first language but there was a famous debated televised some years ago in London that is on YouTube and is well worth a watch. Not only because of the oratory, but also it illustrates the skill of the four debaters. And the topic "The Catholic Church is a Force for Good in the World" is very germane to your statement. As a matter of fact, this particular debate sent ripples throughout the entire Catholic Church, not least because there were more than a few Catholics in the audience. Of particular note is a pole of the audience done immediately before and after the debate.

I do not wish to be argumentative, particularly with someone I admire so I won't write any more on this topic.

Ines

Foxies

It is interesting, thanks.
I know that hierarchy makes a lot of bad things, but at the end, every one of us is the Church.
I activated the subtitles and I understood perfectly.
😊

Angelina

i think we should get back to the original topic and even if this is only literally the original topic now, but what did you get for christmas? 🙂

Avery

Black Friday today (wonder how many countries have Black Friday since not everybody celebrates Thanksgiving).

Anyway, for the girl who has (almost) everything I recommend one of these Bird Buddie smart bird feeders. They come equipped with their own camera for photos and streaming of your feathered visitors. The one with the solar roof is eco-friendly and a steal at about 200 euros. I'm going to install one in my Dad's yard.

https://mybirdbuddy.com/shop/

curious

Avery
Thanks for that idea.
No, I am not gonna buy that thing but I now will install a camera near my ordinary bird feeder and connect it to a motion sensor. Then set it to record not video but a high definition photo every 2 seconds
Hopefully this will result in a few very great close up shots of our feathered friends.

WriterAlexis

Avery

Watch somebody put that in the woods and we finally get a picture of an ivory billed.

I think I'll go with the Ice Spice chia pet. https://www.chia.com/products/ice-spice-chia-pet/

She'll be draggin' that wagon.

Avery

WriterAlexis Thanks! I joined the mailing list.

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