i'm not sure it would be a good thing if parents had this option, but i agree that it would remove legal uncertainties and at least the involuntary ones here (like me) would be protected a bit, because there would certainly be certain rules under which it is only possible then
the problem is, i would actually consider it a bad thing if parents were legally allowed to do that, but we also accept other things that i personally think are wrong, so there has to be a double standard avoided.
Wishing To Live In A Slightly Better World
We raise a rather slippery topic here.
audioguy58 parents ought to be able to go to a judge, petitioning the court to allow them to impose a chastity belt on their son or daughter. If the judge granted their request, the arrangement would be unequivocally legal.
I suspect that in almost every country there is a legal possibility for parents to apply to the court for a minor's obligation to have a specific behavior (in this case wearing a chastity belt). Of course, with a high degree of probability, the court's reaction will not be favorable to such a conclusion and will end with a limitation of parental rights, and not the child's obligation to wear a belt...
Raziel Someone who supports chastity would have to work hard to become a politician and bring up the topic of teenage wearers.
For a politician, taking up such a topic is (political) suicide. He would be immediately shouted by opponents and the media that he "promotes perversion."
toad I know a young man and nothing his parents or the courts have tried to change his behavior and mindset has worked to curb his criminality.
If the court with the entire arsenal of educational and correctional means could not do anything, then wearing a cage would certainly not do much. In practice, the boy would have to agree to wear it himself, otherwise he would simply free himself from it, since he had such a "difficult" character.
Angelina at least the involuntary ones here (like me) would be protected a bit
I think you draw a wrong conclusion. Already people in your situation are protected by law and authorities, the only issue is whether you want to benefit from this protection (with all its consequences) or not. I am afraid that if the chastity belts became widespread, there would be many more cases like yours.
Andrew I suspect that in almost every country there is a legal possibility for parents to apply to the court for a minor's obligation to have a specific behavior (in this case wearing a chastity belt). Of course, with a high degree of probability, the court's reaction will not be favorable to such a conclusion and will end with a limitation of parental rights, and not the child's obligation to wear a belt...
Agreed.
kitty SUCH IDEAS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE.
Well. I didn’t expect that there would be such a firestorm of opposition. I wasn’t the one who originally proposed the idea. Just wanted to be clear on that.
No, Audio, it was my comment, about her edited comment.
It was not related to your thread.
Ages ago, I had some fun with a thread along the lines of "judges make rulings in chastity court," but I hope it was abundantly clear and correctly marked that this thread was pure fantasy and not in any way a suggestion of how the world SHOULD be.
And while we’re on the subject of legal limbo, there are a couple of other points I’d like to address:
1) Under the laws of the United States as they’re currently written, any maker of chastity belts has to label his product with a “novelty disclaimer”. Why does the seller have to do this? Basically there are two reasons:
First of all, if he did not do this, the belt would come under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration as a “medical device”. Prior FDA approval would be required before such a device could be sold. The belt maker would have to prove safety and efficacy.
Secondly, Implied Warranty of Merchantability would come into play, meaning that the belt maker could be sued and/or face possible enforcement action from the Federal Trade Commission and/or state attorneys general if any individual consumer wishes to argue that the seller’s product is ineffective at its ostensible purpose. If you sell something as a toaster, it has to be able to toast bread. If you sell something as a mousetrap, it has to be able to catch mice.
2) Second issue in regard to legal limbo:
There are people who have great expertise in building things that fit the human body; they’re called orthotists or artificial-limb-and-brace makers. The problem is that you or I cannot purchase their services without a doctor’s prescription. And any doctor who would sign such a prescription probably deserves to lose his medical license, at least in the case of male belts.
Saintprudence this thread was pure fantasy and not in any way a suggestion of how the world SHOULD be.
OK. I guess I missed that. But the broader issue here is the issue of legal limbo. Most experts would agree that legal limbo is a bad thing, and should be reduced or eliminated wherever possible.
I wish that we could have a better internet, one that would allow for ironclad controls.
I wish that Apple would get out of the way and allow its customers to have access to the best available technology.
(Reposted from Parental control software and internet filters).
I would like to live in an “information perfect” world where every aspect of your life was represented by fields in control blocks (“documents”) residing in cloud storage.
Every paper document issued by government would contain a QR code, or equivalent, linking to the digital version of the document, with the digital version being the “official” version.
The scummy “data brokers” would be put out of business, because there was simply nothing left for them to do; any piece of information about me that you are legally allowed to look up would be available online for free.
It would be impossible to tell the IRS that your financial situation is just terrible while simultaneously telling the loan officer at the bank that it’s just wonderful.
Encrypted security certificates would be everywhere. (See also the short piece I posted to my Fetlife profile regarding “server-side parental controls”. I’m audioguy58 over there as well.)
Encryption-based DRM would be everywhere.
“An anti-libertarian, totalitarian utopia.”
audioguy58 There are people who have great expertise in building things that fit the human body; they’re called orthotists or artificial-limb-and-brace makers. The problem is that you or I cannot purchase their services without a doctor’s prescription.
Yeah you can. You just have to know where to go. ;-)
audioguy58 building things that fit the human body; they’re called orthotists or artificial-limb-and-brace makers.
In my family one of them makes every modification and enhancement of our belts.
@toad @audioguy58 I already live in a slightly better world in that I don't need any court to be involved.
Like most real people I wasn't abused it was just a tool or clothes. The horror movies like Mad Max will make people assume the worst.
Raquel In my family one of them makes every modification and enhancement of our belts.
We have been friends with one such Doctor for a long time but he is easily frightened of topics that might be controversial
audioguy58 Under the laws of the United States as they’re currently written, any maker of chastity belts has to label his product with a “novelty disclaimer”. Why does the seller have to do this? Basically there are two reasons:
First of all, if he did not do this, the belt would come under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration as a “medical device”.
I suspect that in the EU countries the procedure would be exactly the opposite - every chastity belt manufacturer would very much like his product to be a so-called "medicinal product" because thanks to this he would have a reduced VAT rate on his products (for example, in Poland it would be 8% and not 23%, which makes a big difference). Therefore, whenever there is a legal possibility, sex products are registered as medicinal products, the best examples of which are condoms, lubricants or enema devices. Given that simple medical devices are registered in the EU only on the basis of a notification and a declaration of compliance (which are quite general and rather easy to meet), I will not be surprised if one of the belt manufacturers tries to apply for registration.
audioguy58 they’re called orthotists or artificial-limb-and-brace makers. The problem is that you or I cannot purchase their services without a doctor’s prescription
American law can be strange (from a European point of view), but I find it hard to believe that there is no legal way to purchase orthopedic devices without a prescription.
Andrew American law can be strange (from a European point of view), but I find it hard to believe that there is no legal way to purchase orthopedic devices without a prescription.
You can purchase "generic" orthopedic devices such as an adjustable knee brace from most medical supply stores with no problem. But custom-built equipment that must closely fit the human body (like a prosthetic limb or a specialized support device) requires a doctor's prescription.
Mind you, my information is some years out of date. My source is my experience with the car accident quite a few years ago that nearly crushed both my legs. I was wearing specialized braces built to fit my legs and torso for a couple of years before it all healed up. (It's one reason that wearing a belt isn't that big a deal to me -- those braces were made as comfortably as possible, but they were a real hassle to wear all the time.)
Saintprudence But custom-built equipment that must closely fit the human body (like a prosthetic limb or a specialized support device) requires a doctor's prescription.
Not here.
I mean, it makes sense to at least prioritize people with legitimate medical need (as evidenced by things like prescriptions). If the manufacturers only have enough production capacity to serve those with such a need (which seems likely, given that for most custom-fit medical devices there are probably very few people paying full price for "recreational use"), that would make it very hard to get something without one.
Ines True, I should have made clear I was speaking of the USA.
Saintprudence True, I should have made clear I was speaking of the USA.
No, no, Prudence, you were clear, I was surprised about difference.
i see it a bit like the canabis legalisation that will soon happen in germany. if there are legal ways under strict conditions, the users/wearer can be better protected than with illegal ways, but in general i think it is right that parents would not have this possibility, but i would find it ok if a judge is allowed to order it.
audioguy58 “An anti-libertarian, totalitarian utopia.”
hopefully it remains a utopia, i really don't want such a police state 
and if i follow the discussion here, the rest of the topic could also be renamed "orthopaedic chastity belts" haha