Single again chastity

curious Again Insulting.

@Kaja's style of speech (full of abruptness and radicalism of judgment) is appropriate for her age. It can be irritating at times, but it usually gets to the heart of the matter.

curious If after starting in chastity voluntarily and after 3 weeks change your mind, we'll, bad luck, if the agreement you made in the beginning is long term, you have to live with the belt because just like the tatoo it is then part of your life.

No, she doesn't have to. She can just break the contract at any time and not put the belt back on or call the police if the keyholder doesn't give her the key to take the belt off. Therefore, a sane keyholder will not pressure anyone to wear a belt at all costs when sees the wearer's desperation.

All the "involuntary" wearing of the belt you write about is really a form of voluntary wearing, only reluctantly, aimed at keeping the contract.

Ines Thank you.

curious completely Involuntary wearer by that definition.

In fact, this was widely discussed some years ago. And I agree with that.
In general, I think that girls that talk about strictly forced belting, are trolls.

curious So we can stop complaining about abuse and Involuntary belting even in the more extreme cases, right?

No, extreme cases are not welcome here, I can accept a bit of group pressure, or encourage of belting, but emotional payback or physical pressure is unacceptable.

Ines
I was referring to those cases that describe themselves as Involuntary wearers where, when you look at it more closely, the wearer is just not willing to face the consequences that would come to evade the rules the keyholder has set.
@Angelina would not have the rather comfortable life for a student, having her own car etc. @Christine would have had to face a life without financial support from her mother to which - being an adult - she was not entitled.
And in your family it is a way of tradition and peer pressure. But none of that is actually Involuntary in the strict interpretation of the word, because there is always a way not to wear the belt, if you are prepared to accept the consequences.

curious Nobody on this forum is actually a completely Involuntary wearer by that definition.
All have some Form of motivation to continue in the belt, be it financial or emotional motivations.
But nobody here (as far as I have read) has been physically forced to wear the belt. So we can stop complaining about abuse and Involuntary belting even in the more extreme cases, right?

Emotional and financial issues can create real compulsion and, depending on the situation, may be enough to speak of involuntary wearing of a chastity belt. What I meant, however, was situations related to contracts (which you have repeatedly referred to), which do not have to have any serious element of coercion.

curious she did not have the necessary sophistication and education how to behave herself appropriately

Not everyone has the opportunity to receive such an education. Undoubtedly, she should work on her discussion and argumentation skills.

curious But then, maybe the whole dispute how a chastity belt is approached is actually an issue that is connected to social classes? Higher classes tend to be more conservative, value certain behaviour much higher than lower classes and part of that conservative value system is stricter focus on serious chastity, which of course people from lower classes see as bad and want to fight, because it against their egalitarian views?

Interesting consideration, but it seems to me that chastity belts are such a niche issue that it is difficult to formulate more general conclusions from the sociological point of view. I also have doubts about the generalization that the upper classes are more conservative than the lower ones. Looking at the situation in the countries of Central and Eastern Europe, I would say that it is exactly the opposite.

curious This is stupid and dangerous! You cant mean it serious.

For example - rape is every sexual contact without permision (it include situation that you are drunk and you cant say yes or not) and not only when somebody tie you, use weapon and violence.

Ines
No offence intended. I simply wanted to make the point that @Kaja's rudeness cannot be explained away by blaming limited language skills.

Andrew Emotional and financial issues can create real compulsion and, depending on the situation, may be enough to speak of involuntary wearing of a chastity belt.

Well, I have always said that everything depends on the starting point.
It is obvious that what is desirable is a pure acceptance of the belt for personal ethics, but I am not absolutely against "bribery" either.
I say this because especially here I have seen bribery work with girls who were not basically reluctant to wear a chastity belt, but sometimes, in order to accept a keyholder's condition, the keyholder must add "some bonus".
Okay, it is not perfect, but I have seen that with my cousins, and it certainly does not tarnish the voluntary use.
Regarding peer pressure, well again, if in a family all the girls use it because they think it is the right thing to do, it is logical that they reveal a little bit if some other girl does not use it, or that they make her see that it is the right thing to do. Now, there were girls here in other times who were told that if they did not wear a belt, the family would be destroyed because she would be rejected. These are very different things.

Andrew are such a niche issue that it is difficult to formulate more general conclusions from the sociological point of view.

I tend to think that in upper classes the use is higher, and I believe and have said that sometime here years ago, in certain circles its use may be common, and I am talking about social elites well beyond the upper or affluent class that most of us girls here move in, and what @Barbara has written here and what I have talked to her about, does nothing but convince me more of that.
In certain more typically conservative circles they will worry about their daughters behaving properly just as they will not tolerate a son not walking a girl home or not holding the door for her or yielding to her. It is clear that in large social circles these rules, which for me are basic in my environment, are not followed.

Christine I didn't do anything I deserved a chastity belt for.

that's right, it was your mother's values, but if it's not your values, you can't really say that it's important to you that your mother can't have sex, you just want her to feel her own medicine

I would just like to comment briefly on the rest of the discussion. I call myself involuntary for 2 reasons. Reason 1: I cannot say no without negative consequences. Reason 2: I don't think chastity is good for me.
I don't want to comment on anything else because the discussion will divide the forum. Please be nice

curious No offence intended

Understood.
No problem, then.

Ines but I am not absolutely against "bribery" either

I find that acceptable too.

Ines Regarding peer pressure

I consider the pressure you describe to be acceptable. It does not exhaust the signs of violence.

Ines there were girls here in other times who were told that if they did not wear a belt, the family would be destroyed because she would be rejected

This is clearly psychological abuse.

Ines I tend to think that in upper classes the use is higher

These guesses are quite logical, but not supported by any evidence.

Ines In certain more typically conservative circles they will worry about their daughters behaving properly

Generally, the more conservative the circles, the higher the value of virginity, although not always. I know something about it from my own experience

Andrew I consider the pressure you describe to be acceptable. It does not exhaust the signs of violence.

Probably it is fundamental in order to build a tradition.

Andrew This is clearly psychological abuse.

I do not have doubt about it.

Andrew These guesses are quite logical, but not supported by any evidence.

Well, South American and European societies are different in many ways, but I think that after talking to her, many things that @Barbara says can be extrapolated... or at least interpolate.

Angelina well, through @Ines and her family you already knew about the belt, why did you wait so long?

Well, I thought it was impossible for it to work.
I imagined it as something complicated and that it would not work.
It wasn't until @Raquel proposed that she use the belt and I saw how even with the somewhat random rules that my wife put on it the belt worked, that I realized my mistake.

Laura

I answered it in other disscussion,Laura!