Jonas The forum has however revealed a real problem:

Well said.

Jonas

I am of course only talking about volunteers in this case and then the key holder has the task of enforcing the previously agreed objectives, motivating the wearer to achieve the objective and also saying no in weak moments of the wearer in order to ensure that the objectives are achieved.

Jonas The forum has however revealed a real problem: keyholders who over-step, push for ever greater or longer control, try to use chastity where consent cannot properly be given, or who surprise wearers with additional demands. All of this is bad keyholding, it's wrong.

that is correct the keyholder must never go further than what has been agreed upon.

    Angelina I am of course only talking about volunteers in this case and then the key holder has the task of enforcing the previously agreed objectives, motivating the wearer to achieve the objective and also saying no in weak moments of the wearer in order to ensure that the objectives are achieved.

    the keyholder must never go further than what has been agreed upon.

    We absolutely agree. Great!

    Angelina for one thing you could have one night stands, also i think you have the same right as your mother, you are both single so the same standards should be used

    Both should wear it!
    🤭

    Jonas or who surprise wearers with additional demands. All of this is bad keyholding, it's wrong.

    Yes, it is. Every new rule should be talked and negotiated.

      Ines Both should wear it!
      🤭

      or neither of them 😉
      but generally you are right, both are in the same situation, so same rules for both

        Angelina or neither of them 😉
        but generally you are right, both are in the same situation, so same rules for both

        Tbh. I'm surprised the suggestion that they both wear belts wasn't made sooner.

        And the same goes for all the parents on here. If masturbating is so wrong, then they should wear a belt themselves.

          Jonas And the same goes for all the parents on here. If masturbating is so wrong, then they should wear a belt themselves.

          Good thought!

            Avery Whole disparity between patents and young adults on here seems to rely on some mythical notion that maturity and wisdom naturally come with age.

            I just don't see it myself. I see adults making massive mistakes all over the place.

            In fact; when suddenly presented with the idea of a belt, it always impresses me how sensibly the young adults on here deal with it. They're the ones who seem to be putting in the thought and care and dealing calmly with what are sometimes (on the face of things) extraordinary demands.

            In many cases the parents should be belted and the young adults should be given the key. Lol.

              Jonas Whole disparity between patents and young adults on here seems to rely on some mythical notion that maturity and wisdom naturally come with age.

              I just don't see it myself. I see adults making massive mistakes all over the place.

              In fact; when suddenly presented with the idea of a belt, it always impresses me how sensibly the young adults on here deal with it. They're the ones who seem to be putting in the thought and care and dealing calmly with what are sometimes (on the face of things) extraordinary demands.

              I wish I had said all, or any part, of that.

                Jonas In many cases the parents should be belted and the young adults should be given the key.

                In some cases the parents should be handed over to the police and they keep the keys.

                  Avery I wish I had said all, or any part, of that.

                  Feel free to.

                  Avery In some cases the parents should be handed over to the police and they keep the keys.

                  Yep, trouble is, many will choose the belt over busting their family.

                  Avery I am not really understanding the arguments here. Christine is a 25 year old adult woman in the United States and unless she is incapacited for some reason she is capable of living on her own and making her own decisions. Maybe Mother will want her to wear a belt for Mother's comfort but, still up to Christine.

                  If she is living at her Mothers and is going to be evicted there are plenty of organizations that will intervene since she has been living there for some time and can't just be summarily kicked out.

                  Now in my mind there are several good reasons for her to wear a belt. Sexual Assault, bad Date, chance of too much alcohol and possibly she can be convinced of that by cooler heads. If she was nearby I would try.

                  As to Mother wearing a belt, what does that have to do with anything in this case?

                    I always say say exactly the same about the point.
                    Mothers do not have any excuse to avoid wear the the belt if their daughters wear it.
                    Seeing my uncles experiences, every day that passes, I am more convinced about this.

                      Jonas Whole disparity between patents and young adults on here seems to rely on some mythical notion that maturity and wisdom naturally come with age.

                      It's not wisdom or maturity. The olds just don't have anything special worth protecting any more. My chastity is precious.

                        Jonas Avery Whole disparity between patents and young adults on here seems to rely on some mythical notion that maturity and wisdom naturally come with age.

                        I just don't see it myself. I see adults making massive mistakes all over the place.

                        Also the fact that sex drive tends to go down with age and thus it is easier to practice deviceless chastity. Of course that only gets you so far - plenty of old people still crave sex so much they are willing to do dangerous and/or immoral stuff, whether it be The Villages in Florida (a 55+ community) having the highest STI prevalence in the state or people like Epstein and friends.

                        bdsamm I am not really understanding the arguments here. Christine is a 25 year old adult woman in the United States and unless she is incapacited for some reason she is capable of living on her own and making her own decisions. Maybe Mother will want her to wear a belt for Mother's comfort but, still up to Christine.

                        If she is living at her Mothers and is going to be evicted there are plenty of organizations that will intervene since she has been living there for some time and can't just be summarily kicked out.

                        Now in my mind there are several good reasons for her to wear a belt. Sexual Assault, bad Date, chance of too much alcohol and possibly she can be convinced of that by cooler heads. If she was nearby I would try.

                        As to Mother wearing a belt, what does that have to do with anything in this case?

                        I'm not familiar with the case you refer to. I was addressing @Jonas points about adults forcing minors into belts.

                          Avery In some cases the parents should be handed over to the police and they keep the keys.

                          Just for a bit of lightheartedness among this gruesome matter:

                          Prisons probably do not like it when the inmates carry keys or visitors bring keys in.

                          (I know, realistically the devices would come off during intake in one way or another, but one can dream about having those who forced chastity belts onto the unwilling be locked up themselves in more ways than one, can we not?)

                            Avery Sorry Avery. I was just addressing the thread in general. I will say though that from my own personal experience, Parents have a lot of responsibility for minor children in the US. Parents are expected to exert consideral control of their minor children and if the fail, may have financial risk. Do they have the right to lock metal underwear on them? Probably not. But if coercion is used with reward that are viewed favorablly it is probably legal. I bought my children cars and they were pretty cooperative on most issues. (No metal underwear involved.)

                              bdsamm Do they have the right to lock metal underwear on them? Probably not.

                              It'd be hard (for me, anyway) to codify what actions toward your children are legal and not, but it seems parents can dictate behaviors but not the physical bodies of their children. You can't beat them or chain them up or, I think, lock them up in a chastity cage. Nor, I think, can you watch your daughter shower, which has been described here, though not recently, as part of the chastity guarding process. But you can ground her if you catch her pleasuring herself. So maybe there's a line there, control behaviors but hands off the physical person.