Jonas But by definition the primary role of a key holder is to hold the key!! - They must do everything reasonable, safe and consensual to ensure that chastity is maintained.
To hold the key as needed. The point of a bus driver is not to keep the vehicle moving as much as possible either, it is to stop at the agreed-upon locations.
Jen Nah, primary role look after whoever is locked - make sure they're ok - make sure their life is working and they're happy
I can only speak from experience. As someone who's locked up, this isn't what I want from my keyholder. It's my job to make sure my life is working and that I'm okay. It's my keyholder's job to help to ensure that I can't have sex or masturbate. That's all I want from a keyholder.
youdontknowme To hold the key as needed. The point of a bus driver is not to keep the vehicle moving as much as possible either, it is to stop at the agreed-upon locations.
Covered by "reasonable, safe and consensual" above.
The forum has however revealed a real problem: keyholders who over-step, push for ever greater or longer control, try to use chastity where consent cannot properly be given, or who surprise wearers with additional demands. All of this is bad keyholding, it's wrong.
I wholeheartedly agree!!!!
I am of course only talking about volunteers in this case and then the key holder has the task of enforcing the previously agreed objectives, motivating the wearer to achieve the objective and also saying no in weak moments of the wearer in order to ensure that the objectives are achieved.
Jonas The forum has however revealed a real problem: keyholders who over-step, push for ever greater or longer control, try to use chastity where consent cannot properly be given, or who surprise wearers with additional demands. All of this is bad keyholding, it's wrong.
that is correct the keyholder must never go further than what has been agreed upon.
Angelina I am of course only talking about volunteers in this case and then the key holder has the task of enforcing the previously agreed objectives, motivating the wearer to achieve the objective and also saying no in weak moments of the wearer in order to ensure that the objectives are achieved.
the keyholder must never go further than what has been agreed upon.
We absolutely agree. Great!
Angelina for one thing you could have one night stands, also i think you have the same right as your mother, you are both single so the same standards should be used
Both should wear it!
Jonas or who surprise wearers with additional demands. All of this is bad keyholding, it's wrong.
Yes, it is. Every new rule should be talked and negotiated.
Angelina or neither of them
but generally you are right, both are in the same situation, so same rules for both
Tbh. I'm surprised the suggestion that they both wear belts wasn't made sooner.
And the same goes for all the parents on here. If masturbating is so wrong, then they should wear a belt themselves.
Avery Whole disparity between patents and young adults on here seems to rely on some mythical notion that maturity and wisdom naturally come with age.
I just don't see it myself. I see adults making massive mistakes all over the place.
In fact; when suddenly presented with the idea of a belt, it always impresses me how sensibly the young adults on here deal with it. They're the ones who seem to be putting in the thought and care and dealing calmly with what are sometimes (on the face of things) extraordinary demands.
In many cases the parents should be belted and the young adults should be given the key. Lol.
Jonas Whole disparity between patents and young adults on here seems to rely on some mythical notion that maturity and wisdom naturally come with age.
I just don't see it myself. I see adults making massive mistakes all over the place.
In fact; when suddenly presented with the idea of a belt, it always impresses me how sensibly the young adults on here deal with it. They're the ones who seem to be putting in the thought and care and dealing calmly with what are sometimes (on the face of things) extraordinary demands.
I wish I had said all, or any part, of that.
Avery I am not really understanding the arguments here. Christine is a 25 year old adult woman in the United States and unless she is incapacited for some reason she is capable of living on her own and making her own decisions. Maybe Mother will want her to wear a belt for Mother's comfort but, still up to Christine.
If she is living at her Mothers and is going to be evicted there are plenty of organizations that will intervene since she has been living there for some time and can't just be summarily kicked out.
Now in my mind there are several good reasons for her to wear a belt. Sexual Assault, bad Date, chance of too much alcohol and possibly she can be convinced of that by cooler heads. If she was nearby I would try.
As to Mother wearing a belt, what does that have to do with anything in this case?
I always say say exactly the same about the point.
Mothers do not have any excuse to avoid wear the the belt if their daughters wear it.
Seeing my uncles experiences, every day that passes, I am more convinced about this.
Also the fact that sex drive tends to go down with age and thus it is easier to practice deviceless chastity. Of course that only gets you so far - plenty of old people still crave sex so much they are willing to do dangerous and/or immoral stuff, whether it be The Villages in Florida (a 55+ community) having the highest STI prevalence in the state or people like Epstein and friends.
bdsamm I am not really understanding the arguments here. Christine is a 25 year old adult woman in the United States and unless she is incapacited for some reason she is capable of living on her own and making her own decisions. Maybe Mother will want her to wear a belt for Mother's comfort but, still up to Christine.
If she is living at her Mothers and is going to be evicted there are plenty of organizations that will intervene since she has been living there for some time and can't just be summarily kicked out.
Now in my mind there are several good reasons for her to wear a belt. Sexual Assault, bad Date, chance of too much alcohol and possibly she can be convinced of that by cooler heads. If she was nearby I would try.
As to Mother wearing a belt, what does that have to do with anything in this case?
I'm not familiar with the case you refer to. I was addressing @Jonas points about adults forcing minors into belts.
