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Milord

Kaja for teacher there is always the suspect that he exploited a position of authority.
Anyway, remember that USA is very puritan country, even if in Southern California I never see this, on the contrary it’s a very open minded place, especially among younger, or in college and university. Anyway I don’t believe this story, so I read it as a fiction where some suspension of belief is acceptable.

Renita

Kaja But in this case they were both adults - so where is a problem?

That was my question too. If both were adults, who caught them and what for.
Only Monica could do it 😃

Susan

Renita Her mother tried but it became too much of a battle.

Renita

Susan Her mother tried but it became too much of a battle.

Tried what? Spying after Jane?

Susan

Kaja She was having sex with a teacher on school property. I can't imagine anywhere where that would be OK. He was fired, she was suspended. Yes they were both adults, so no arrests were made.

Kaja

Susan But why? What did they do wrong?
I know it will be better to have sex in her/his house. But sometimes you can not.

If her mother will not be mad they can have sex in her house - and nothing bad will happen. So it is the mothers mistake.

My opinion will be different if she will be 16 yo teen. But this is not this case.

Susan

Milord There was no mention of pictures and I didn't ask. A car is not a private space if it is on public property.

Milord

Susan

So no pictures, someone just passed on parking lot on Friday night, recognised them, told the principal and without proof one get fired and the other suspended

Then, a teacher is so unbelievably smart that among all the places.... In the school parking lot

There is really parking issue in your city 🤣

Of course not, I don't buy it

Susan

Kaja That is why they were not arrested, they were both adults and it was consensual. But a teacher can not have sex with a student, especially on school property.

Susan

Milord I wasn't there and I didn't see it and it didn't happen to me. From what AJ and I were told it was a security guard of the school that saw them and reported it. I see no reason why both Monica and Jane would lie about this. Jane clearly does not want to wear a belt, so what would be the point of lying about it?

Teachers have sex with students it seems like all the time here in the US. Some are prosecuted especially if the student was a minor, but that is not the case here. You can look them all up on Google if you want.

Milord

Susan Teachers have sex with students it seems like all the time here in the US. Some are prosecuted especially if the student was a minor, but that is not the case here. You can look them all up on Google if you want

Minors mostly, with consequences for teachers, not students. Mostly due to parents discovering this. Anyway Susan, I don't believe this story, and pretty sure I'm in good company here.

Laura

Susan Some are prosecuted especially if the student was a minor

Only if the student was a minor and because of this

Milord

Susan You can look them all up on Google if you wan

I tried and I found nothing about any student being suspended for having a relationship or sex with his/her teacher.
Can you help me finding it?

pestulens

Laura But in this case, even though there was no crime the teacher will probably never work in education again. Certainly not in Califonia.

Laura

pestulens the teacher will probably never work in education again

It's quite different story and @Jenna doesn't seem to share

Milord

pestulens I searched on google, and I've found nothing about student punishment. Can someone help me find an article?
Thanks, everyone.

Jenna

Laura Not sure what you mean Laura. We were told the same thing at the same time. I have no direct knowledge if what Monica told us is true, but I see no reason why both of them would lie to us.

pestulens

Milord I have never heard of anything like that either, though I don't have any trouble believing some school admin tried to do it.
A supportive parent's job in such a case would be to advocate for their child and hold the school accountable but such is life.

Jenna

pestulens The school suspended her, maybe because her being at the graduation would be a distraction if others knew about it. She was not expelled but will graduate at the end of the summer. As for holding the school accountable, the man was fired. Not sure what more they can do.

youdontknowme

Any school policies that place the blame on her will probably have been written by the (spiritual) descendants of Henricus Institor.

Laura

Jenna Not sure what you mean Laura

The full story in details. Who? When? Why?

Jenna I have no direct knowledge if what Monica told us is true, but I see no reason why both of them would lie to us.

Ask her

Jenna The school suspended her, maybe because her being at the graduation would be a distraction if others knew about it.

For what reason was she suspended? Sex on the school premises? Sex with a teacher?
Why didn't Monica defend her?

Susan

Kaja They had sex in his car on school property. He is a teacher and teachers are not supposed to have sex with students. Had they done this somewhere else they would not have been caught and it would not have been as big of a deal.

Kaja My opinion will be different if she will be 16 yo teen. But this is not this case.

I don't disagree on this point. But it was still dumb for Jane to do this.

Jenna

Laura

Laura The full story in details. Who? When? Why?

Who? Jane and a male substitute teacher
When? A few weeks ago
Why? ????

Laura Ask her

Ask her what exactly?

Laura For what reason was she suspended? Sex on the school premises? Sex with a teacher?
Why didn't Monica defend her?

Yes, Sex on school premises. She apparently was naked in a car on school property.
Jane was not expelled, just suspended.
Neither she nor the teacher were arrested. But he was fired.
I am assuming Monica did defend her, not sure what more she could do. I think she just wants to problem to go away and not draw attention to it. I would do the same.

Tjc

Milord Most of the news stories do not mention what happened to the student in these cases due to student privacy rules. In the four cases that I know of in New Jersey this year, the student was suspend from the school and referred for counseling or sent to a "private school" for the remainder of the school year. Interestingly, in two of these cases, and it looks like a significant percentage nationally, the teacher was female.

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