This is my first discussion, and I want to share with you my point of view.
The question is, when we are allowed to put in chastity someone else.
I will take the question under two important aspect: the moral one (of course subjective, but I will give some rationals here) and the second, legal (I will provide framework information based on western view, because of course I don't know every single legal system)

Being all equals, the title needed to put a chastity belt on someone else is consent.
Consent, to be correcty given, needs five main characteristics

  1. informed
  2. freely given
  3. Clearly stated
  4. given by someone who is accountable
  5. Can be revoked anytime

Why? Because since putting a chastity belt affects body rights and sexual freedom, two basic human rights, it must be freely given in a relationship between equals. NOTHING ELSE IS ACCEPTABLE. All information must be provided, consent must be free, it must be clearly expressed, must be given by someone who is capable of discernement (not minor, not diminished capacity), can be revocked without consequences.

I will take Milady, my wife, as an example. She has all the ability to pledge herself in chastity. But what if she has economic problems and he's unable to stand by herself? Can I push her in chastity? Obviously not, because there will be no free consent.
And if there is no consent, there is abuse.

Now, it's pretty simple to understand that putting a chastity device on a offspring is ALWAYS WRONG
On a minor, because it misses on point 4, but also on adult sibling, because its not a relationship based on equally adult, but it lacks the freedom characteristic. and remember: Where there is no consent, there is abuse.
That's why enforcing sexual activities (and putting a chastity belt is a sexual activity) on someone who is clearly disadvantaged is ALWAYS abusive. Same apply to legal guardian.
And what about the law?
I'm pretty sure there is no law preventing or allowing explicitly the use of chastity devices, but most jurisdictions consider them sex toys, so using on a minor can easily be considered sexual abuse and on adults if it is proven that it's not willing (not a difficult thing: not having the key, they can't get rid by themself) its sexual assault.
I'm pretty confident that most people that write here, should they decide to ask legal help, can very easily sue their keyholder and probably also have them incarcerated for sexual abuse.

    @Milord
    Personal question: After you read forum messages and got engaged in first discussion the last day, are you currently upset because you want to help people involved and want to protect against abuse?

      For a general remark on moral and legal issues around the world, I allow myself to recycle a remark I wrote in Jenna's thread: https://unwedchastity.org/d/680-belting-for-nieces/1398 . IMO debates will persist, as long as humans exist with their very own and often very different perspectives on what is desirable and what not. 🤷 And yes, this includes even different interpretation of universally declared human rights.

      Milord
      Thank you for the clear summary of your idea and the legal context. It coincides with my view and knowledge of the legal situation.

      We had discussed the legal side a few times or pointed it out in concrete situations. As I said before, it is up to the person to decide what to do with it.

      Owl Personal question: After you read forum messages and got engaged in first discussion the last day, are you currently upset because you want to help people involved and want to protect against abuse?

      No, I understand that they are mostly fake. I'm still disturbed by some, but I understand that the only power I have is to explain and show things

      Milord (not a difficult thing: not having the key, they can't get rid by themself)

      Disagree. I can revoke the consent in any moment, but obviously, the backbone is that I do not have the key. Otherwise... What consent can I revoke? 🤷🏻‍♀️

      Milord I'm pretty confident that most people that write here, should they decide to ask legal help,

      I believe you are mixing things, every active user is +18 consent adult, and no, most of users do not "should" ask for legal help.
      Every victim of abuse should ask for it, but, again, you will not find it here, and if you find it, again, flag it and I will erase such story.

        A lot of what you write has been extensively discussed on this forum, and it seems to me most members share your views, I know I do.

        Just for dialectic satisfaction, allow me to tell a little consent story. When I was 21 - which is the minimum age for gambling in my country - we went to a posh casino two hours drive away with a bunch of student friends. We dressed up for the occasion, and most of us lacked any gambling motivation, but looked forward to be part of an elegant "grown up" evening.
        To my surprise, one of the guys in our group that I didn't know well approached me before we entered the casino and handed me a - for student terms - quite substantial amount in Euro bills, charmingly explaining that he might have a bit of a gambling problem and really can't afford to lose this money; I should only give it back to him upon getting back home later that night. I exchanged glances with our common friend; she smiled back assuringly and I took the money.
        During the evening, our gambling friend seemed to revise his decision after losing the money he had on him and, again very charmingly, explained he now needs the money back to make up for his losses. I refused, as instructed, and thought he'd just playfully try out if I was reliable. He laughed more, fraternized, we exchanged friendly little stories, he insisted on getting back his money, got a little pushier. I checked back with our common friend and decided to keep his money in my pocket. I only gave it back to him when we arrived back in our home town, which he explicitly thanked me and our common friend for on the spot, and again a few days later.

        This felt awkward for all of us three. We had not accepted his revocation of consent, and that is always problematic, even if it seems to have been the right decision there and then.

          Damien

          Well, I think that it is not comparable.
          I think too that in serious usage of chastity belt has to exist a "cold down period" to see that revoking is firm.
          Of course I am not talking of weeks or months as some people said, but some hours o few days is OK.
          Wearers want keyholders, not wardrobes to put the key.

            Ines didn't both you and I only recently express support regarding a 4 a.m. revocation from a beloved wearer of this forum? 😊

            Ines Disagree. I can revoke the consent in any moment, but obviously, the backbone is that I do not have the key. Otherwise... What consent can I revoke? 🤷🏻‍♀️

            And this is why part of the consent is missing, and so pretty easy to prove the abuse.

            Ines I believe you are mixing things, every active user is +18 consent adult, and no, most of users do not "should" ask for legal help.

            The complete phrase is not that they should, but that if they should, they can have them incarcerated. Here the complete phrase

            Milord I'm pretty confident that most people that write here, should they decide to ask legal help, can very easily sue their keyholder and probably also have them incarcerated for sexual abuse.

            Damien This felt awkward for all of us three. We had not accepted his revocation of consent, and that is always problematic, even if it seems to have been the right decision there and then.

            I enjoyed your story, but be aware that sexual matters is not like lending money. It's a very sensitive topic.

            Milord I'm pretty confident that most people that write here, should they decide to ask legal help, can very easily sue their keyholder and probably also have them incarcerated for sexual abuse.

              Milord And this is why part of the consent is missing, and so pretty easy to prove the abuse.

              No. If I have the key.... What consent have I to revoke?

                Milord The complete phrase is not that they should, but that if they should, they can have them incarcerated. Here the complete phrase

                That is the thing. Of the people here who had been locked up before their 18th birthday, none of them want their parents sent to gaol. That is what makes the issue so much more complicated. They love their parents, but not that one thing their parents do.

                Getting the authorities involved becomes a much easier thing when the expected outcome is actually the outcome you want, but for most less-than-voluntary wearers who posted here, that is not the case.

                Damien I checked back with our common friend and decided to keep his money in my pocket. I only gave it back to him when we arrived back in our home town, which he explicitly thanked me and our common friend for on the spot, and again a few days later.

                That is ultimately the difference between using a chastity belt as a toy and using it as protection: what constitutes revocation of consent.

                I absolutely believe that if the wearer clearly communicates that they no longer consent to wearing the belt, in the absence of an agreement to the contrary, the keyholder's only acceptable action is to remove the belt immediately. I furthermore believe that the keyholder has no business trying to pressure, guilt or persuade the wearer into making an agreement that alters this basic principle. But if every single one of these conditions is met:

                • the wearer wants to use the belt for a goal other than sexual play
                • they do not trust themself to not abuse the standard consent rules of sexual interactions
                • the wearer fully trusts the keyholder in having their well-being at heart
                • there is a clearly definied maximum timespan before the consent question has to be resolved (which involves ending the current keyholding arrangement if there is any doubt about consent at the end of it)
                • that timespan is only as long as it needs to be to address the wearer's self-trust issues
                • the wearer enters that agreement freely, enthusiastically and fully informed about what it entails

                I believe a cooldown period may be acceptable.

                  The belted girls and boys are better than me. I dearly loved my parents, and I still miss my father, but should they have done what they did to them, I would have no qualm in sending them to jail.

                  Ines No. If I have the key.... What consent have I to revoke?

                  I tried to prove another point: Normally gathering evidence of abuse is difficult. In this case it's immensely easy, because you DON'T have the key.

                    Continuation from extended introduction ( https://unwedchastity.org/d/1-introductions/5303 ):

                    Milord This is a crime. [...] This is a major offense, for sure worth of some years in jail.
                    My I have an opinion toward the fact that a major crime [...]
                    Not judging. Just considering.

                    Allow me a perhaps philosophical, but IMHO also (somewhat) practical remark: As a lawyer, you must face the confrontation with the following question: How can there be crime, without rules (in this case laws) judged by persons?

                      Milord Normally gathering evidence of abuse is difficult. In this case it's immensely easy, because you DON'T have the key.

                      You might be simplifying things here. Not every locked collar, bracelet or belt on your body constitutes sexual abuse. Maybe you've exchanged keys with a friend. Or just left it at home. Sometimes is has symbolic or erotic value. Getting rid of it is as easy as visiting the local fire brigade.

                      Ah, not everybody wants to go to the authorities? Then they might be under psychological pressure, which is at least as powerful as a 2mm steel band. You're an experienced dom, do I even have to elaborate?

                      Owl a crime is an event that is relevant under a penal jurisdiction.
                      Judgments is about commining punishment for the crime.
                      Killing someone is a crime even if no one is judged for it.
                      Sorry, trying to make as easy as possible. Hope I expressed myself correctly

                      Milord you DON'T have the key.

                      Precisely because I have gave my consent!!!!