VivianChaste I say focus on the belt first. What's your budget? How much can you spend? If you can't buy the branded ones, go for a Chinese belt first. As other say fit is the first nain issue. Hygiene is what you plan. 24/7? Try a few hours first then see how long you like it on. Pee many times to find the sitting position as with no 2.

Clothes arent really the issue unless you wear super skin tight. Hip style is good for jeans - most or waist style for dresses.

Check https://www.brassiered.com/enchaste/contents.html

Milord In emergency you have to use the fasted way to do things, and for getting out of the belt the fastest way is the key. That's all.

The fastest way to remove a belt is with tools used by emergency medical services. This damages or destroys the belt but that is minor compared to the need to remove a belt in an emergency. Keeping this in mind means not having to rely on an emergency key. In am emergency, it may not be possible for the wearer to access the emergency key or tell others how to find it or use it. Removal with emergency tools is fast and easy for responders. This is, of course, only our opinion based on my experience as a long time wearer, without an emergency key.

    Tjc

    Let's say you have an immense pain coming from the part closed in your belt. While you are suffering unbearable pain you will:
    1) call your keyholder to urgently get there and open you
    2) call emergency medical services and wait for them to open you
    3) use hacksaw or other tools
    4) use emergency key

    Which one is fastest? Which one is the most logical one?

    • Tjc replied to this.

      Laura

      No comment Laura. It's your life. But everyone else, don't do as Laura and get an emergency key.

        Tjc This is, of course, only our opinion based on my experience as a long time wearer, without an emergency key.

        This is like saying "This is, of course, only our opinion based on my experience as a long time driver, without safety belt."

        I hope you never need it.

        Laura What do you see as the "cons" for an emergency key, safely protected by some sort of tamper evident storage?

          Laura

          Safety should be a primary concern of everyone, ESPECIALLY of parents. I honestly can't understand this but I understand almost nothing of your life, so basically I'm trying to abstain from even comment it.

          But may I gently ask you and @Tjc to avoid endorsing an unsafe behavior?

          Not having an emergency key is a very dangerous thing. If I need to explain it I will, but I hope that is pretty obvious.

            Milord I mean, everything we do in life is a tradeoff of risks and benefits, and we constantly set acceptable risk levels. If we always played everything safe, we would get nothing done.

            That said, not having an emergency key is a lot of risk for very little reward. Sure, the belt will feel mildly more secure and there is mildly less strain on your willpower compared to a sealed emergency key, but belts are not indestructible nor inescapable (lockpicking is a thing, and neither small padlocks nor most tubular locks are particularly resistant against it), so there is already some level of trust that the locked person will not act out of line involved in belting.

            And yes, in everyone's favorite horror scenario of several broken bones and whiplash after a traffic accident, the key is probably not going to make much of a difference. But there are plenty of other emergencies that might require immediate release without rendering the wearer unconscious or otherwise unresponsive. Inflammations would be the first thing coming to my mind.

            If you have carefully assessed the safety implications of not having an emergency key, I could somewhat accept (but not condone) the decision you made. You are your own person and you have the right to make reckless decisions. But when it comes to a keyholder forcing such a decision on a wearer, this sort of distrust is a massive red flag. When it comes to recommending unsafe actions to beginners, you are putting people who are not equipped to make that assessment themselves in harm's way. No. Just no.

              youdontknowme That said, not having an emergency key is a lot of risk for very little reward.

              I still have to understand where the reward lies. Now, as much as a lot of people want to (self?) convince that belt is inescapable, it's not. Getting out is staggering easy. The difference is that without key destruction is more probable, but lets make it clear. Anyone that really wants to get out will get out.

              Let me also add that suggesting to someone with a remote keyholder not to have an emergency key is really mad.

                Milord Marginally reduced reliance on willpower as breaking a seal requires less effort than picking or lock or damaging a belt, and causes less cost to resume chastity device use than the latter, I reckon. Not a good trade in my eyes.

                @Laura I think this discussion is getting off track, I suggest we move it to https://unwedchastity.org/d/717-emergency-key

                That said, here is my breakdown of all the pros and cons I can think of.
                Pro:
                Reduces the chance of injury as a result of the belt (admittedly a low probability event but the consequences are potentially quite high)
                It makes it less likely the belt will be damaged or destroyed if it needs to be removed in an emergency. (if emergency services need to cut it off, you will be out the money spent on it. Not as important as your safety but worth considering.)
                If you need to persuade someone that you are wearing voluntarily, it will be a strong argument to say "I have a key for emergencies so I could get out if I wanted to".
                In the worst-case scenario where you need to escape your keyholder, an emergency key makes that much easier. Also, a keyholder who knows about the emergency key might be less likely to overstep than they would otherwise be.

                Con:
                It will take willpower to not use the emergency key when you shouldn't.
                The tamper-proof container is another potential point of failure of the system since security is never perfect and you might find a way to access its contents covertly.
                If your motivation for wearing is about feeling secure, having an emergency key might interfere with that.

                Overall, I think the balance strongly favors having it rather than not but I can see a scenario where the cons would outweigh the pros.

                  pestulens
                  Injury is not the only emergency around. A belt is not the only thing that needs an emergency key. There are a lot of situations that cannot even be imagined.

                    Milord True, outside context problems are an inevitability but since they are by definition impossible to foresee or prepare for it usually isn't worth trying to account for them in a cost/benefit analysis.

                      pestulens

                      Ok, if keyholder will not allow emergency key, why they will allow it for tight bands?
                      Or for bra?
                      Anymore, security is a mindset. For someone that consider control more important than security, as for Laura's parents, what can happens? Maybe nothing. But what if....

                        Milord Anymore, security is a mindset. For someone that consider control more important than security

                        I would consider such a person unsuitable to act as a keyholder. I know there are several examples on this board of wearers who are/were in precisely that situation and I think most of the community agreed that their keyholders were crossing the line.

                        Milord as for Laura's parents, what can happens? Maybe nothing. But what if....

                        Certainly, there are risks with their approach. Ultimately, Laura is an adult and can decide for herself if the risks outweigh the benefits in her case. I have already done my analysis and concluded that they don't in general but there is a lot about her situation that I don't know. She might see benefits that we missed, she might have other protections in place to help mitigate the risks so they are less significant, and/or she might simply assign different weight to the factors involved than we do.

                        @Laura I know you are typically quite reserved about this kind of discussion, but I think we would all like to hear your thoughts.

                          pestulens apologise to @Laura if she felt offended, but honestly there are situations I'm unable to consider healthy. But I will hear and reconsider, as I already done for Ines

                            Bryan What do you see as the "cons" for an emergency key

                            Too free an interpretation of "emergency"

                            Milord Safety should be a primary concern of everyone, ESPECIALLY of parents.

                            As @Tjc said the belt can broken easily

                            pestulens It will take willpower to not use the emergency key when you shouldn't.

                            Right

                            pestulens If your motivation for wearing is about feeling secure, having an emergency key might interfere with that.

                            An cope with a situation too

                            Milord but honestly there are situations I'm unable to consider healthy.

                            Why? If all sides agree

                              Laura As @Tjc said the belt can broken easily

                              I have made an example of a situation. Nothing too exotic. If you have an emorragy and noone is here to help you could open OR wait for emergency medical services to come losing precious time (for arrival) and other time (for removing).

                              Now can you explain what is you or your parents issue in having a sealed key? You want to stay in, so the problem is?