Hi Ines
As agreed, I created a new thread so that we could resume our discussion about the film that would be best able to define our vision of the couple. For your part you were recognized in the relationship Ramius Borodin extracted from the movie "The Hunt of the Red October
I am amazed that you told me about this movie because I thought about it a very short time before your first message. And I did not expect at all that a girl 17 years could recognize herself in a film with a military connotation. For my part I have always been very appreciative of this relationship of military subordination between Ramius and Borodin. (absolute faith in his superior)
In terms of the relationship man-woman I will recognize me pretty well in the role of Marco Ramius but I would not go so far in the command because a couple must not operate on a military discipline.
Therefore I will wait for my partner to follow my precious advice as quickly as possible by challenging them as little as possible. But in return I will undertake to never do anything against his interests. This means that I will never impose on him one of my wishes that could harm him.
For example, if there were to be a conflict of interest, I would rather sacrifice my share of the profit so as to avoid my choice being able to harm him.
Anyway without this counterpart it can not work because the couple would totally unbalance. A partner (man-woman for that matter) must be guided by the other, he must not be blindly subjected to it.
This means that if I find a partner who is much wiser and more visionary than I am, I will be able to accept the role of Borodin. Although I must admit that it is unlikely because I feel more like a guide than a person to be guided. But I do not rule out this possibility of playing the role of Borodin if I came to find a partner wiser than me.
This is certainly different between us because I understand that your mind you consider that as a woman you are necessarily intended to embody the role of Borrodine.
But for me this concept is hardly acceptable because it would mean that all women should be destined to be Borodin. It is now necessary for women to also play leadership roles in our society. Otherwise it would mean that a woman could never access the highest responsibility. And then we fall back into sexism.
Unlike you, I consider that it is not the sex of the person who must determine his role of guide or person who is guided.
This was what I had to say about the transposition of the Ramius-Borodin relationship in the couple.
I'm going to stop there for today and I will develop in the next few days my vision of the couple in relation to James Cameron's Titanic and I will try to highlight the hidden meanings of certain scenes of the film. I sincerely hope that you sublimate it.
Which movie inspires you to an ideal relationship in the couple ?
Esteban And I did not expect at all that a girl 17 years could recognize herself in a film with a military connotation.
Really thriller film, but with military background, it is the same that Enemy at the gates, really a western, or The night of the generals, one of my favourite films ever, that is a police film.
Esteban absolute faith in his superior)
Really is not faith in his superior, it is faith in his friend. Conviction and support the man, not to the soldier. In fact, they go very farther of military discipline: they defect of Soviet Union.
Esteban a couple must not operate on a military discipline.
Agree 100%.
Esteban This means that I will never impose on him one of my wishes that could harm him.
This is the leadership that a man must effect. Use his responsibility in order to make better the relationship and make happier the girl.
Esteban if there were to be a conflict of interest, I would rather sacrifice my share of the profit so as to avoid my choice being able to harm him.
Here, I would like to nuance a bit your opinion. I agree completely, and me, as more submissive partner I think the same. But you are talking about conflict of interests between the man and the woman. But I, await of my man, the honesty and firmness to impose the interest of couple about mine, even if I can not see it in a first moment.
Esteban This means that if I find a partner who is much wiser and more visionary than I am, I will be able to accept the role of Borodin. Although I must admit that it is unlikely because I feel more like a guide than a person to be guide
It is in my opinion the absolutely natural for a man. I think the ideal state of art of the Nature. In my nature I think I could not like a man who I do not think is better than me. I love my role of Borodin, but for that, I have to find a Raimius 
Esteban It is now necessary for women to also play leadership roles in our society.
Well, Esteban, I think, and I want to study and become in a good professional, that your statement is not an Universal True. It is necessary that women have granted the possibility of play such roles, I agree with that. But there are a lot of girls that we are more comfortable playing another roles. I believe deeply in the individual freedom, freedom to choose my way to happiness, for that I hate so deeply feminists, more of times women with less culture that repeat mantras and insult every other women model that they do not like. I do not consider myself very stupid, sometimes a bit donkey 
, and I want freedom to choose be happy. And, of course I prefer be considered a "traitor" to my gender, that be a traitor to myself.
Esteban Unlike you, I consider that it is not the sex of the person who must determine his role of guide or person who is guided.
I do not consider it absolutely, and obviously there are a lot of women wishing become in leaders and I hope them the best of lucks, because they can be the leaders of my country too, but I, obviously, am not one of them.
I just want respect to my way of happiness. A submissive girl is not a stupid, just is a submissive or a bit lazy girl.
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Ines Really is not faith in his superior, it is faith in his friend. Conviction and support the man, not to the soldier. In fact, they go very farther of military discipline: they defect of Soviet Union.
Yes it is true that there was also a great bond of friendship between them.
Ines This is the leadership that a man must effect. Use his responsibility in order to make better the relationship and make happier the girl.
I also agree with that
Ines Here, I would like to nuance a bit your opinion. I agree completely, and me, as more submissive partner I think the same. But you are talking about conflict of interests between the man and the woman. But I, await of my man, the honesty and firmness to impose the interest of couple about mine, even if I can not see it in a first moment
If it's in the interests of the couple, I'll join you.
But if for example I got a promotion that would force us to move elsewhere I preferred to give up my promotion than to impose a move. And even if my promotion would be financially better for the couple I will not impose it on my partner.
Ines Well, Esteban, I think, and I want to study and become in a good professional, that your statement is not an Universal True. It is necessary that women have granted the possibility of play such roles, I agree with that. But there are a lot of girls that we are more comfortable playing another roles.
Yes indeed.
A woman may be an accomplished leader in the professional word and be totally emotionally submissive to her husband in the family setting. Even though this kind of situation must be rather rare.
Ines I do not consider it absolutely, and obviously there are a lot of women wishing become in leaders and I hope them the best of lucks, because they can be the leaders of my country too, but I, obviously, am not one of them.
I just want respect to my way of happiness. A submissive girl is not a stupid, just is a submissive or a bit lazy girl.
Compared to that, I would like to qualify your opinion because I consider myself deeply feminist in relation to some basics causes (fight against excision, respect for the feminine sexality, right of women to dispose of their body, equality in terms of wage remuneration.
It is for that reason that I fight against the parents who impose the belt on their daughter.
But on the other hand I do not recognize myself in the "low-end feminism" That is to say the feminism which consists in making all the men pass for machos or quibble on useless polemics whereas the true feminist fights are neglected.
Ines I do not consider it absolutely, and obviously there are a lot of women wishing become in leaders and I hope them the best of lucks, because they can be the leaders of my country too, but I, obviously, am not one of them.
I just want respect to my way of happiness. A submissive girl is not a stupid, just is a submissive or a bit lazy girl.
OKAY. Your emotional submission philosophy only involved your personal point of view.
I mistakenly thought you were saying that all women should have the same philosophy.
So to conclude I would say that we are 95% agree on our conception of male / female. Because our differences of opinion are, very weak.
Esteban Even though this kind of situation must be rather rare.
No, not really. My mother, for example runs a small factory and has certain number of workers. She has to take a lot of decisions and many times calculating risks. And when she arrives home she likes my dad takes charge of situation.
I think is not rare at all, specially, my aunt, the other partner in " atelier", says exactly the same about her husband! And she is not in the chastity belt world !
Emmanuel 
Laura
On the other hand a small correction of spelling is imposed "EmmanuELLE"
And sorry to tell you dear Laura but in noting your choice of film I must admit that the wearing of your belt is quite justified. (laugh out loud)
Otherwise I have just concluded that you were not a French citizen. It allows me to progress in my investigation.
I only have 193 countries to eliminate from my list (lol)
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Esteban On the other hand a small correction of spelling is imposed "EmmanuELLE"
Yes, just typo
Esteban And sorry to tell you dear Laura but in noting your choice of film I must admit that the wearing of your belt is quite justified. (laugh out loud)
It was a joke 
Esteban I only have 193 countries to eliminate from my list
You don't need to. The answer is USA 
But I mentioned it many times already.
Laura You don't need to. The answer is USA
I have to admit that I did not search much on the forum. It could be obvious to others because they knew you through Misterpool but not for me.
But do you see what surprises me is that there is not a lot of Americans girls on your forum.
I thought the conservative and puritan american religious phenomenon would do more damage to girls in lock in chastity belt.
But on your forum it seems that is more machismo that is the main cause of locking girls.
It is clear from the different messages that boys and girls are not treated equally in terms of sexual freedom.
Whereas in a religious logic it is the sex in general and everything to which it relates is repressed.
This also implies that male masturbation is repressed. And even if I totally disagree this philosophy, I must admit that it at least has the merit of being much more fair to girls.
I think that could be talked on a new discussion.
"On what princip or fondation does your imposed chastity rest?"
Religious, Machismo or other.
It's just a proposal to avoid getting out of this discussion if you would want to continue this debate with me.
I let you appreciate his opportunity
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Ines
Ines I understand your point of view but you can not transpose a situation of your environment (microcosm) to deduce a universal thing and I will try to show you why.
There is an ancestral classification of the different types of human personality called enneagram.
It consists of 9 types of very distinct personalities and one of them happens to be the type 8 which corresponds to that of the born leader.
Well know that when we belong to this type N ° 8 all our actions of everyday life are guided by our profile leader.
This means that the soul of the leader is not intended to vary according to the environment in which he is called to evolve.
That it is the family environment, professional, friendly, political, associative ...: A leader will always want to be at the controls because it is inscribed in his psychic inheritance.
If you're interested, I think you should be able to find yourself in Type 5 because you seem to be very attracted to the world of knowledge and understanding to better protect yourself.
Finally it's just what seems to come out of our exchanges but I can obviously be wrong.
So that you can realize that we can have a totally distorted view of reality by focusing our attention on a non-significant sample, I invite you to consult this photograph of the French football team. (Note that I have already used this example on another discussion of this forum)
How many black or half-breed players do you count against the 23 players of the France team ?
Assuming that this team has represented France around the world by winning the 2018 World Cup ...
Would you go so far as to conclude that the black population represents 50% of the French population ?!
Of course not.
By focusing only on this photograph some people with no knowledge in geography could even go so far as to deduce that France is on the African continent !
Note that my example is valid in reverse if we take this time the team of South Africa.
INES you are sincere in what you say, but I do not think it necessarily corresponds to the reality of the world in which we live.
Esteban
Hi Esteban, no, do not worry, I never try to make an Universal export of my environment, or micro cosmos as you say very accurately.
But there are a lot of people that to fulfill a social expectations study and execute a profession that demands not only a knowledge but also a responsibility.
Even liking profession, many times, that responsibility fatigue the person, I see it every day, even amongs some of my teachers.
For sure I will review that classification that you say. I love to learn new things.
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I know Laura, no angry, I was joking a bit with Esquimo! I know Martinica is France, as New Caledonia, there was a France player from there, was married with a model, as French Guyana too.
They have a lot of territories.
I like very much geography.
There is classic film, To have or not to have, situated in Martinica. Lauren Bacall and Humphrey Bogart!
Anyway, an Esquimo of Saint Pierre would be great!