Angelina In my case the physics part is easy to test...
Q: "Does physical intervention relieve the symptoms of pudendal nerve impingement?"
A: "Yes!!"

Sometimes it's only a brief respite and there are other methods that provide relief over the long term, and that's what I'm trying to concentrate on now (hence why I sometimes choose to wear a chastity belt). But it's taken 15 years of yoga to get to a point where it's manageable. When I was younger and we weren't sure what was going on with my body, masturbation was necessary for me to be able to function. And while my condition is relatively rare, there are a huge number of common situations that might require a similar intervention... endometriosis, period pain, EDS etc etc. The list goes on and on (and on).

Regarding psychological issues... I was exposed to the same societal expectations as everyone else. I was branded "dirty", "filthy", "unladylike" and that all-time favourite "a slut", (and that's just from my mum). The science was far from perfect by the way... I was incorrectly diagnosed as hypersexual despite being a virgin (and still a child), I took anti psychotics / SSRIs to "fix my uncontrollable urges". As recently as the 1960s, women like me were institutionalised for being "hysterical".

I won't go into the problems associated with giving a perfectly healthy child antipsychotics / antidepressants when there's nothing inherently wrong with them, or the suicidal clusterfuck that is medication withdrawal. Suffice to say that my teenage years were a little "challenging".

The main reason for all this is because masturbation was viewed as The Problem. The fact that I managed to come out of the other side a happy, healthy, well balanced(?) individual is nothing short of a miracle. I can't help but think of all the other women out there who are racked with guilt and suffering unimaginable physical pain, women who will never be given the opportunities I had simply because of where they were born, or because their parent / guardian / abuser has absolutely no f***ing idea how the human body actually works.

Regarding psychology issues associated with masturbating... My view on the subject is that long term, sustained mental and physical abuse is likely to be far more damaging psychologically than just rubbing one out. When I see inter-generational abuse being perpetuated due to ignorance, cultural expectations, warped religious indoctrination or whatever, I generally try to encourage people to break the cycle.

(Yes, I get triggered by these things!).

      Foxies Thank you for the not boring lecture out of first hand regarding medical topic. It makes sense
      Regarding science proof. Short time ago I read an article in which they stated when they reach 99.9999% confidence the theory is confirmed.

        Sin Thank you for telling us of you past and what was happen. And it is fine if it tricker you. I do the same if I read something that is obviously not the reality but stated as it.

          Also I apologise if I come across as too self-righteous... I don't mean to get on my high horse and I don't want to tell anyone how to live their life, I just tend to get fired up over such things because I have been directly affected by it.

          I'm new to the forum and I'm still trying to figure out what's real and what's not. I like that we can have interesting discussions that transcend cultures, political viewpoints etc (however hard that might be to take sometimes).

          I'm still learning a lot when it comes to my own chastity experience, and I will never be as "hardcore" as some of the people on here. I'm not advocating for all of you to cut your belts off and masturbate furiously (although I would love to see that!).

          I guess if I can contribute anything, it's that I would like potential abusers to read my story and recognise that if you inflict your own hangups onto your loved ones, you risk doing damage in ways you have never even considered.

          And if you're a guy fantasising about such things, it's pretty obvious to those of us with an actual vagina. By all means fantasise, but be aware that by writing your fictional accounts on a forum like this there is a risk that uneducated people will see it as some kind of instruction manual for what is "possible" (I use that term loosely). Be better.

          And now I shall get off my high horse. 🙂

            Sin your writing is great and balanced don't apologise

            Wrong team though Eagles all the way - but I live in another state

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                Jen lol well the Eagles players are okay (if you want to score drugs on a night out). ;-p

                Are you in Melbs?

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                    Sin no one of the rugby states but I won't say which.

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                        Jen Understandable... I'd be embarrassed about that too!
                        :-P

                          Foxies You are so young but have a real ability to think and express yourself – particularly amazing since I know English is not your first language.

                          (& @Angelina )

                          Yeah I agree too but also I just can't imagine what it is like where you live. And how you cope and how your life works I guess despite it all. I used to think like isolated country town if Germany has that- but now I think rich. Does your father have a lot of money does that help shield him.

                            Foxies Sorry if my lecture is boring – smiles.

                            no it wasn't boring, because...

                            Foxies As you point out, it is complicated

                            ....and you have written this complicated in a very beautiful text, i am absolutely thrilled how detailed you have described it 🙂 unfortunately, i can't express myself like you, at least not in english, and due to time constraints, i would only like to comment on one point. ....

                            Foxies In a sense, any scientific theory can only be disproved, never ultimately confirmed.

                            ... that was the crux of the matter, if someone says that science has proven something, it can't really be proven? so it's just the current state of affairs until it's disproven right?

                            Sin Regarding psychological issues... I was exposed to the same societal expectations as everyone else. I was branded "dirty", "filthy", "unladylike" and that all-time favourite "a slut", (and that's just from my mum). The science was far from perfect by the way... I was incorrectly diagnosed as hypersexual despite being a virgin (and still a child), I took anti psychotics / SSRIs to "fix my uncontrollable urges". As recently as the 1960s, women like me were institutionalised for being "hysterical".

                            i certainly don't want you to think that's what i'm saying. i don't mind anyone masturbating as much as they want. i also think it's wrong to judge anyone for that, i'm with you all the way on that. i was just concerned with your choice of words no more no less.

                            PS: i am surprised that such long answers came up, i thought it could be answered in 2 to 3 sentences.

                            Sin I guess if I can contribute anything, it's that I would like potential abusers to read my story and recognise that if you inflict your own hangups onto your loved ones, you risk doing damage in ways you have never even considered.

                            that's understandable, almost everyone here has a goal and almost everyone here wants to help, the paths are different but the goals are the same. i'm here to help girls who the decision has already been made, so they learn to deal with it as best they can 🙂

                                        Angelina i'm here to help girls who the decision has already been made, so they learn to deal with it as best they can 🙂

                                        This is such a good point. Assuming they are not trolls, there are some stories here where a girl has limited or no choice. While the stories are tragic (and make me angry that others do this to them) unless you walk in their shoes it and understand the issues and choices they are presented with, it could well be counterproductive to criticise their situation or handling of their choices.

                                        The best and most human thing we can do is to offer useful advice, based on our own experience in a respectful and understanding manner that would make their circumstances easier, more comfortable and hopefully make them happier with their lot in life. The last thing we should ever do is increase their burden. Perhaps we should remember the meaning of an oath I took so many, many, years ago. "Do no harm!"

                                        And Angelina, I see that is what you continue to do on an almost daily basis. I wish I could claim to be as thoughtful.

                                            Angelina

                                            However,if most studies tell it's not bad,while a few others tell it is,as long as all studies were made by skilled scientists,the ones telling it is not bad are probably right.

                                            Joh

                                            Me too.

                                            Foxies Sorry if my lecture is boring – smiles.

                                            Not at all,very interesting! 🙂

                                            Sin be aware that by writing your fictional accounts on a forum like this there is a risk that uneducated people will see it as some kind of instruction manual

                                            One of the reasons we try to make trolls leave.

                                            Angelina so it's just the current state of affairs until it's disproven right?

                                            There is a lot of such examples in history.

                                                        Foxies

                                                        very kind of you to say and i admire you for your way of expressing yourself. i try a lot to help here but unfortunately i can't express myself like you but i am working on it 🙂

                                                        Vanessa There is a lot of such examples in history.

                                                        of course, there were also people who believed that the earth was a disc and some of them were scientists and not just crazy catholics. 😂

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                                                            Foxies While the stories are tragic (and make me angry that others do this to them) unless you walk in their shoes it and understand the issues and choices they are presented with, it could well be counterproductive to criticise their situation or handling of their choices.

                                                            Agreed, but at the same time we can't normalize what's happening.

                                                            If you are being forced or coerced into wearing a belt, you are a victim of sexual abuse. I am very sorry for the circumstances that you are in. Most importantly, it is NOT your fault.

                                                                gwen If you are being forced or coerced into wearing a belt, you are a victim of sexual abuse.

                                                                i must disagree i do feel very confined by the belt but not as a victim of sexual abuse

                                                                    Angelina The courts (and society) would see this very differently. A prosecutor would achieve a conviction with two very simple questions...
                                                                    "Is the victim under 18, yes or no?"
                                                                    "Was there interference in the child's genitalia, yes or no?"

                                                                    "Thankyou Your Honour, there will be no further questions."

                                                                        Angelina I'm sorry, but it is. 🙁

                                                                        I dearly hope that abuse or not, that this experience fades into your past without having left any harm. However, even if that's the case, it's still abuse.

                                                                        It took me a long time to recognize many events in my past as abuse, but that did not make them any less wrong.

                                                                            gwen I'm sure @Angelina will find out in the future, that it was abuse. I hope someone here contacts the authorities and the abuse is found. That would be a warning to all parents who abuse their children in this way. It would say to them: 'Look, the father / the mother who is now in jail could be me.' And don't forget, the statute of limitations for sexual abuse is very long, so that adult children can report their parents even if they have long been independent. That is exactly the point of this long limitation period.

                                                                                Sin "Was there interference in the child's genitalia, yes or no?"

                                                                                and that is exactly the point that one has to look at in a much more differentiated way, but that is not usual in germany and many other countries.

                                                                                gwen

                                                                                as i said, it's just my personal feeling. i know that legally it's abuse, but what are the alternatives? i can go to the police or the authorities, but what they do is clearly more abuse to me than what my father does.

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                                                                                      a_father

                                                                                      Oh the ethics of this! It could even be a medical school topic to discuss!

                                                                                      a_father is correct that there might be societal benefits to prosecuting Angelina father for confining her against her will in a chastity belt, which is in fact real and physical bondage. A prosecution might save other young ladies from a similar fate by scaring other parents/guardians from doing the same.

                                                                                      But does anyone really think the Angelina wouldn't suffer too at his persecution? It is clear from her posts that she loves him and probably (reluctantly) supports him. Prosecuting him would cause him emotional pain, yes, but it would no doubt bring severe emotional pain to Angelina herself!

                                                                                      In the cold light of day there is no easy resolution to Angelina's predicament.

                                                                                      While I could never condone her father's actions, and don't really agree with her current viewpoint, I am heartened that she gives every indication that she is growing up to be a strong and intelligent woman who will no doubt be capable of making her own decisions regarding her own happiness as she gains adulthood. Many other girls should be so lucky! In the long view perhaps her father hasn't done a bad job of raising her as a single parent. He certainly did a better job that my own father!

                                                                                      If this sounds like I am defending his actions in regard to her chastity belt (and thigh bands), I am certainly not. His only defense that he can offer is that he did it out of love and not malice. Even so, I like most of society, condemn him for what we consider a misguided belief system and physical abuse of her body.