Katie It does take a bit of practice.

that's what i mean, i don't rule out driving a car like this, but it won't be my first car 😂

    Katie No difference for me between Smart or a full VAN

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        Laura No difference for me between Smart or a full VAN

        do you hit a lot of stuff lol? They both need to be driven differently

              Katie They both need to be driven differently

              Of course, they do. But you recognize it instantly

                Vanessa Yes, passenger cars, small trucks and VANs require the standard driver license only.

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                    Laura in USA you can drive anything up to 26,000 pound without additional license. It’s pretty messed up that someone can drive a huge bus sized motor home with no extra training.

                        Katie I thought it's more about hydraulic/pneumatic brakes

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                            Angelina yes i understood that. but i didn't understand how many of them have to be done with a driving instructor and how many can be done with the parents.

                            Like in many countries with a few big cities and massive amounts of nothing between them, you could, in theory, do all your lessons with family members, but lessons with an instructor "count more"; 1 hour of driving with an instructor counts as much as three hours of driving with a parent. At least for the Australian state I looked up (NSW).

                                Sin

                                No problem understanding that here. 🤣 But then again your lot did stray from here (or did we boot you out? I forget 🤣 )

                                  Angelina yes i understood that. but i didn't understand how many of them have to be done with a driving instructor and how many can be done with the parents.

                                  As far as I know it is not necessary to have any lesson with an instructor.

                                      Jonas Sure, that must be v. hard to hear, but again, it's great keyholding!! 😁

                                      it would have been great key holding if this had been agreed beforehand, so i see it more as a threat of further tightening

                                      youdontknowme

                                      ah ok, it seems a bit complicated to me because this is not allowed in germany

                                            Angelina Nor most of the EU, but even here in Europe, some of the less densely populated countries, like Finland, have some sort of program where you can learn to drive without relying on instructors. Really all depends on how much empty space your country has.

                                                youdontknowme Really all depends on how much empty space your country has.

                                                lol it might come as a bit of a surprise but we actually have cities here in Australia! It's not like we drive into the outback to practice our driving.

                                                We do a written learners test, and once we've passed that we have to clock up a certain amount of hours before we get a provisional licence. It would cost a fortune to do all of the driving hours with an instructor. So we learn to drive on actual suburban roads and freeways just like everyone else. It's just that ours have kangaroos on them occasionally!

                                                    youdontknowme Really all depends on how much empty space your country has.

                                                    I don't think the amount of empty space has really anything to do with it, rather the government regulations and such. Although most of our "cities" are rather small (around 20k - 50k) on the big perspective... Maybe it has more to do with the fact, that we are better drivers that average 🤣 (more WRC and F1 champions per capita than any other country!)

                                                    Sin ours have kangaroos on them occasionally!

                                                    And ours have moose and reindeers! Very rarely, even another cars have been reported to be seen, but I'm a little sceptic of those reports...