Erection and chastity belt
so a cage for the testicles?
Michael What do you mean exactly? What does define to be a good keyholder in general or what aspects do you mean that are relevant especially for me?
a good keyholder knows that he/she has a high responsibility and must ensure that no harm is done to the wearer psychologically and physically, and must support the wearer and not work against him/her
Angelina so a cage for the testicles?
No the testicles are free but the is a solid ring (steel) around the penis close to the body ( behind the testicles) and a tube for the penis that is locked to this ring. You cannot pull the penis back through that ring as long as the tube is locked to it. While the tube is locked to is, the space for the testicles is too small to push them back through the ring and for the same reason you cannot push the whole device away from your body. Therefore it is more like the testicles (instead of the penis) are trapped which is why these devices are called ball trap devices. The penis is more or less completely incased in a steel tube then in order to prevent erections and heavy stimulation.
Angelina a good keyholder knows that he/she has a high responsibility and must ensure that no harm is done to the wearer psychologically and physically
I have no doubt that she can do that.
Angelina and must support the wearer and not work against him/her
I am not sure what you mean exactly. Can you give an example what supporting or working against the wearer would be?
Angelina if, for example, the keyholder refuses to open the belt/cage in psychic exceptional situations, then the wearer loses confidence in the keyholder and also the connection to the belt/cage
That would not happen for sure. The other way around, that a keyholder might open the belt too often because he/she is too easily talked into opening it, might be a problem.
Michael good keyholder
A good keyholder knows if you're trying to tell him you have problems with the cage / belt when you just want to get out to be able to cheat.
A good keyholder is caring about you. She / he can tease you from time to time so you don't get too frustrated (if you like that) and understands that you need opening for cleaning and erections.
And a good keyholder can resist when you beg and beg for a release, if you want to be chaste
... there are diffent ways of being locked. Just wearing it as lifestyle of because you don't want to be able to habe sex ... or because you don't want to be able to masturbate ... or because you want to be teased and denied.
We all agree that a good keyholder hast to unlock the belt in a case of emergency and so on and I would never surrender my keys to someone I cannot trust 100%.
However, I think there is a difference if you have been asked to wear a belt by your keyholder in contrast of you asking someone to hold the key for you.
In the fist case you can be relatively sure that the keyholder wants to keep you locked and would not be easily talked into giving you the keys.
The second case is my case. It is my wish to be locked into a belt but that does not exclude some weak moments when I ask for the key. If I asked someone to hold the keys it is more likely that she would then give in and unlock me. Later I might regret this. Therefore for me it is a problem when the keyholder is not strict enough.
Expecting from a keyholder to always distinguish between real problems or pseudo problems (being too horny, lack of control at the moment) is not easy for everyone and can be stressful.
Taking a key for a keyholder therefore is not only taking responsability.
Introduction topic is not a I write everything that I have in my brain.
And for some of you have a lot of warnings..
Angelina yes, in this case, the key holder must behave as if the wearer were involuntarily wearing the belt
How can I convince her, that right now I want her to refuse to unlock me no matter what reason I might bring up
even if I then might say that it wasn't meant that way or that I have changed my mind about this kind of enforcement?
What arguments would you use to convice her to adopt a role of a strict keyholder?
and I keep saying that it is almost impossible to end a fluent discussion
I hope it is ok that I continue this discussion or should a create a new topic for how to approach a gf as a keyholder with regard to the possible problems that I have mentioned earlier?
Michael couch it in terms of “tough love.” Act as if you consider masturbation an addiction to be overcome. Tell her that unlocking you for any non-emergency reason is akin to being friends with an alcoholic and supplying them with drink. Tell her “you do more good for your friend by being firm and helping them navigate their own boundaries, rather than giving in to my immediate weakness. “
Michael What do you mean exactly? What does define to be a good keyholder in general or what aspects do you mean that are relevant especially for me?
What @Angelina and @Max9 answered,and I would add talk often with you,if you need to,and try to understand how it feels for you,physically and emotionally.
Sure.
I'm not sure too,but,anyway,it means it can damage the penis.
Angelina so a cage for the testicles?
A chastity cage.
Michael The other way around, that a keyholder might open the belt too often because he/she is too easily talked into opening it, might be a problem.
You should talk about it before,or after it happened once,to be sure she understand,that,even if you try a lot to make her open it sooner than planed/supposed to,she should not accept.It can be hard for her,but I think she could manage it.
Michael The second case is my case. It is my wish to be locked into a belt but that does not exclude some weak moments when I ask for the key. If I asked someone to hold the keys it is more likely that she would then give in and unlock me. Later I might regret this. Therefore for me it is a problem when the keyholder is not strict enough.
For it,talking is the key(
).
Michael Expecting from a keyholder to always distinguish between real problems or pseudo problems (being too horny, lack of control at the moment) is not easy for everyone and can be stressful.
It would need some time,but she would probably finally be able to recognize it.
Angelina and I keep saying that it is almost impossible to end a fluent discussion
But it can be done in the appropriate topic,maybe with a link to it,and copying our last answer in it.
Michael How can I convince her, that right now I want her to refuse to unlock me no matter what reason I might bring up
even if I then might say that it wasn't meant that way or that I have changed my mind about this kind of enforcement?
What arguments would you use to convice her to adopt a role of a strict keyholder?
You should tell her she should not unlock you when you ask her,no matter what you say,except a "safeword" which mean she should take it off immediately.But,if you use it without a good reason,it should mean she would not accept to be your keyholder anymore,to make you avoid using it only because you want to be free with no good reasons.
Michael I hope it is ok that I continue this discussion or should a create a new topic for how to approach a gf as a keyholder with regard to the possible problems that I have mentioned earlier?
Better to create a new topic,or post in a related one.
Good example.