Vanessa I agree(except for smoking,alcohol and drugs).With enough care to not resume the addictions,it should be adapted after some time.For gambling,for example,if the addiction is solved,it could be possible to go to a casino with only 100€/$ in the pocket,with no other way to get more tokens(credit card,etc...).Even better if someone accompany the gambler and keep any money he can win over 100€/$.This way,the gambler would never be able to gamble for more 100€/$.When he/she has no money left,he/she should leave;even if he/she has gained 100€/$ before,he/she can't use these to continue gambling.

yes, that's true, although I would also apply the whole thing at least to alcohol and cigarettes as well.

      Jonas Should she get a belt for him then?

      No, he should be interested more in sex with her than in masturbation. I thought it's obvious.

          HHelen I'm afraid I think the availability of internet porn is changing people's behaviour and choices. By the time young people get together expectations can be high, effort can be low, and preferences, extreme. We can no longer count on masturbation being considered inferior to the real thing.

              Jonas I'm afraid I think the availability of internet porn is changing people's behaviour and choices.

              in this case, however, education has failed. those who can no longer distinguish between porn and reality need a psychiatrist and not a chastity belt.

                  Angelina Well, yeah. Thankfully people are starting to see the problem and deal with it before it gets to that stage.

                      Angelina The problem is that people do know that this is not real, but still get ideas and aims that are inspired by porn. For example polyamory - in porn, you can see it pretty frequently and in reality, it's now also getting popular ... there might really be a connection.

                          Jonas Thankfully people are starting to see the problem and deal with it before it gets to that stage.

                          i see it a little differently. most of the time these people don't see the problem, so the expectations during sex become higher and higher and the disappointments bigger and bigger. it could also lead to sexual crimes.

                          Max9 The problem is that people do know that this is not real, but still get ideas and aims that are inspired by porn

                          Inspiration is perfectly ok, but there should be no false expectations.

                                Jonas I've found that a belt has to have a certain level of security

                                Of course,but it does not avoid thinking on a way to cheat on it,I think.

                                But I can understand you feel and react differently.

                                Angelina

                                Alcohol,at least,is a bit different.Even after years without drinking,even a sip of alcohol can make an ex-alcoholic addicted again(it is why even syrup against cough,which often contains very small quantities of alcohol,are often not recommended for people who were addicted to alcohol).I think cigarettes can work the same,but am not totally sure about it.

                                Jonas

                                I don't think it is the majority of the cases.

                                Angelina Inspiration is perfectly ok, but there should be no false expectations.

                                I agree.

                                          Vanessa Of course,but it does not avoid thinking on a way to cheat on it,I think.

                                          But I can understand you feel and react differently.

                                          I think you're correct, we all consider the security of the belt on an ongoing basis (shaking the lock becomes a quick way of satisfying this desire). However, once the belt is considered secure it starts to do it's job which, for me at least, is to reframe the question from a more wilful "Why should I stop masturbating?!" to "Why should I start masturbating?".

                                          Eg: Under the influence of nicotine it is harder to stop than to start smoking. When out from said influence, it's easier to stop than to start. The same, I think, goes for lust.

                                          A chastity belt is just there for the times when lust is going to influence your decision making process too much.
                                          I also fully understand that you feel differently! 😃

                                          Vanessa I don't think it is the majority of the cases.

                                          Agree it's not yet a majority problem, however the NOFAP movement is a reaction to this phenomena and is, as far as I can tell, a growing movement.

                                                Vanessa Alcohol,at least,is a bit different.Even after years without drinking,even a sip of alcohol can make an ex-alcoholic addicted again

                                                maybe, but i wouldn't generalise, here too i would differentiate from case to case.

                                                    Jonas I'm afraid I think the availability of internet porn is changing people's behaviour and choices

                                                    You mean a guy would prefer his left hand than his girlfriend?

                                                        I don't normally criticize what others do but as I almost slipped and fell on ice today I must say that anything that could cause someone to fall and break their teeth should not even be legal.

                                                          Megan 😂😂
                                                          We should ban the ice! Ice just for soft drinks!

                                                            HHelen You mean a guy would prefer his left hand than his girlfriend?

                                                            I'm saying men are increasingly choosing the endless, excessive, infinite variety of porn in preference to real world relations.

                                                            You're right to suggest that this is a reductive process, but it's probably equally focused on the guy's right hand - if that's the one that operates the computer mouse! 🖱️ 😀

                                                                Jonas

                                                                i think those thoughts are bad, i think it's bad that some men have to take refuge in pronos, that shouldn't be the case for anyone, i think there is a suitable partner for everyone and everyone deserves their own happiness 🙂

                                                                    Angelina i think it's bad that some men have to take refuge in pronos

                                                                    Yep, absolutely. Like all addictions porn reduces people to mindless automata, endlessly repeating the same (self and life destructive) behaviours over and over again. I think the trick is to work out how to help such people and to support them as they try to help themselves.

                                                                    Angelina i think there is a suitable partner for everyone and everyone deserves their own happiness

                                                                    That's lovely. I agree. 🙂

                                                                          Jonas . I think the trick is to work out how to help such people and to support them as they try to help themselves.

                                                                          right, and maybe even a chastity belt will help (even if that would not be my first "form of therapy"). 😉

                                                                              Angelina When it goes too far, you have to break the feedback loop of self-pleasure somehow. 🤪

                                                                                  Jonas (shaking the lock becomes a quick way of satisfying this desire

                                                                                  Even voluntary wearers do it!😉

                                                                                  Jonas . However, once the belt is considered secure it starts to do it's job which, for me at least, is to reframe the question from a more wilful "Why should I stop masturbating?!" to "Why should I start masturbating?".

                                                                                  I think it depends on each person.

                                                                                  Angelina

                                                                                  It is pretty admitted that an ex-alcoholic can resume this addiction very quickly,even after years without drinking...

                                                                                  Megan

                                                                                  Due to thigh bands?

                                                                                  Angelina

                                                                                  But no need to solve it,as long as it is not excessive,in my opinion.