Foxies I just hope this forum does nothing to promote it.
I think we try to fight it, however I believe that every truculent story is a tale.
Force to someone to wear a belt should be such factory of resentment that no family can endure it. And in determined ages and environment is very difficult maintain such thing as a secret.
I usually do not think in myself as a person without empathy, but such stories are hard of believe for me.
mekekelo Parents do not have a right to abuse their child.
I agree 100% with sentiment behind this statement. I would go further: "No one has a right to abuse anyone."
But terms like abuse are slippery and ever changing. Even worse they become "fashionable" (or political as in politically correct).
When I was a little girl, if a child misbehaved with a parent present and the parent didn’t take action the parent was considered abusive, not teaching their child correct behaviour. That teaching might commonly include a smack to the legs.
In the Britain of today, a smack delivered to a child’s legs is abuse.
The fashion has changed!
The right to “free” speech is enshrined in law. To insult someone can be considered free speech and is thus protected. A parent can thus insult a child by telling they are an idiot or stupid. But doing it endlessly, and crushing a child’s belief in themselves while being a parental right is still abusive.
There are all sorts of parental rights that can lead to abuse. Parents will claim they are protecting the child. When is protection abuse?
Sadly, I do not know how to write correct laws to prevent such. I only know abuse when I see it. You will never convince me that pressuring anyone against their will into a mechanical device that prevents enjoyment of their own body, is anything but abuse. But clearly it happens within the law, as several poor girls here will testify.
Foxies But clearly it happens within the law, as several poor girls here will testify.
It is happen because the children depended on the family and will not risk a worsening of the situation. They often believe that their parents would break off with them. If this is really the case, it is proof that they do not really love their children.
Finally there is nobody who wants to report the condition to appropriate agencies to improve the situation.
of course it is a kind of blackmail but it always depends on the advantages and disadvantages the girl has by wearing or not wearing the belt.
Of course, it is still the best way if it is voluntary. 
of course, i think it would even be the main reason to use a abstinence belt.
Joh It is happen because the children depended on the family and will not risk a worsening of the situation.
but isn't that normal ? it doesn't make sense to refuse to wear the belt if it would only have disadvantages outside the belt.
Angelina but isn't that normal ? it doesn't make sense to refuse to wear the belt if it would only have disadvantages outside the belt.
You are not in the situation to oversee the full impact on you.
I had my own experience on dependency in a relation and could see it first after some time after my divorce.
I have seen it by a friend of mine as well and understand why the laws were introduced especially to protect minors.
If you think this was done lightly and without good reason, then you are making it easy on yourself and closing your eyes to reality. No laws are introduced that do not have a valid reason. Whether they are always the best law is a moot point. However, the main point is true.
Have in mind you are still a minor and stuck in the situation.
Joh If you think this was done lightly and without good reason, then you are making it easy on yourself and closing your eyes to reality.
i don't close my eyes to reality, i just refuse when people or institutions who don't know what happens in families think they know better, i'm happy to take suggestions, even here in the forum, but the decision is ultimately made in families
Joh No laws are introduced that do not have a valid reason
Joh Have in mind you are still a minor and stuck in the situation.
well, i'll be 18 in 4 months, but i wouldn't say that my opinion will change then.
Angelina Maybe you don't want to understand what @Joh wants to say. Your opinion may change in ten years or so. Believe me, you don't become an adult over night when you turn 18 
. What your father does is abuse and you'll find out later in your life. This is, why I told you to collect all proves you have to be able to prove later on, what your father did (if you are real). This is the reason, why I have problems believing things I read here. Parents must always have in mind, that children become adults and exacly these children later demand accountability from them. And abuse stays abuse, even ten years later. And these parents can go to prison even ten years later.
Angelina yes, these are similar reasons for my father too
These reasons seems common...
Ines And, in general, I think that a girl masturbation is not acceptable, and it is a behavior that must be avoided.
It is selfish, indecent and that does not make anything good for us as woman.
My parents would agree with you.
Ines Even "buy" the consent with privileges is not very fair in my opinion.
Not very fair,but better than reluctantly wearing.
HHelen I prefer to limit rather than prevent.
Why?
HHelen Otherwise all her activity can be reduced to it.
Only if it is excessive.
Ines For me, and you know it, only acceptable way, and only way in what you avoid reproaches, is totally free acceptance.
Right.
Ines I believe that every truculent story is a tale.
Me too.
Ines Force to someone to wear a belt should be such factory of resentment that no family can endure it. And in determined ages and environment is very difficult maintain such thing as a secret.
It depends on the family,I think.Except the chastity belt,I'm pretty close to my parents and to my twin,and we like spending time together.But I think it can't work if the family isn't friendly to each other.
Vanessa My parents would agree with you.
I am not, of course, against feminine pleasure, and of course when we are married we should experiment so many orgasms as we need to be be happy, even if, sometimes we would have a bit to obtain a belt release ( it would add more pressure to the boiler, so he will face a lioness later).
But, in my home, for example, and I am sure that my sister do it, it is something that is shameful for a single girl. It avoids we arrive pure for our loved man, (and he does not deserve it) , it drives to a selfish and brat behavior ( I want it so I have to get it, when we must await calmly to achieve some things), it will drive us to bad behavior ( and in this sense all my friends and girls here say the same, orgasms are very pleasurable and addictive).
This is of course my opinion, and you can not force to anyone to do it, however, in my opinion, for example my sister, (for use a example in my home), is failing as woman, firstly to herself.
Vanessa It depends on the family,I think.Except the chastity belt,I'm pretty close to my parents and to my twin,and we like spending time together.But I think it can't work if the family isn't friendly to each other.
For me it is the same. Overall we are a very happy family and yes, this normally includes my sister. She hates her equipment more than I do, but she would never set her free access to her private parts above our family. We are all very loving and close. We all take care of each other. For example, demanding us to wear this equipment doesn't mean that my father doesn't care for us or doesn't understand that we don't like it. He feels with us. I think it's not so black and white.
i understand what @Joh is trying to say, i just disagree and i know almost all the laws and i know how long it takes for most crimes to become time-barred. the only question i always have to ask myself is whether the overall situation will improve for me.
Joh Now you are walking on thin ice. Think about again which door you are open with this argument.
i know it's a thin ice, but unfortunately many crimes today are described in a very undifferentiated way, which is why i make this statement with reservations, of course, but i think i'll stick to it in principle.
Joh your point of view will change a little.
Even if you convince me, it doesn't change the overall situation.
@Sara2001 has written overall and that is exactly the point and that is exactly the point why i agree with her on this one
Angelina The question you should ask your father is what he thinks what relationship he will have with you in ten years and if he doesn't think his current behavior could put a strain on the relationship. Now you depend on him, but in ten years... If he realises, that you are like an elephant and won't forget he may think about what he does.
Regarding the initial question, here are some relevant passages from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, with my comments in the next response:
“The Church understands the purposes of sexuality to be the begetting children and the mutual pleasure for building the couple's unity. Therefore, any deliberate activation of the sexual function outside the proper state of marriage and the purposes noted is seriously inordinate; if done voluntarily and knowingly, it is sinful. Within marriage such self- or mutual-stimulation is moral only when in some way it prepares for or completes a natural act of sexual intercourse.
Within the Church's teaching on human sexuality, masturbation is considered to be objectively disordered or intrinsically evil (in se malum or intrinsece malum); that is, no circumstances or intentions can render the action of masturbation "morally good." The degree or seriousness of the moral culpability of a particular act of masturbation, however, can be judged only in light of the degree of the moral agent's knowledge, freedom, and intentions. Full moral guilt requires a fully deliberate choice of what the person sufficiently realizes to be seriously evil, which can then be evaluated as gravely, or mortally, sinful. If the act is performed with only partial realization or only partial choice of the will, the person is presumed to be guilty only of venial sin.”
This is what Catholic parents, especially those who grew up before the 1970s, are taught. It is what my late parents believed, and what my mother-in-law still believes. My parents were informed in no uncertain terms that it was their solemn, godly responsibility to instruct a child in the extreme moral dangers of masturbation.
indeed, calling masturbation a gravely disordered mortal sin is about the strongest language the church has — in their eyes, self-touch is up there with rape and murder. The sinner is at severe risk of going to hell. In fact, if you’re a parent who knows their offspring masturbates, it is made clear that YOU are at equal risk of eternal damnation if you don’t take all steps and any means necessary to curb it. The parents are maybe even more at risk — the text makes clear that teenagers get a pass for accidentally discovering it and not knowing the sin, but parents should know better and are responsible for instructing the son or daughter.
The only reason my parents never used a belt on me was because they had no idea they existed — it was the 80s and they were very sheltered. But the scarring emotional abuse — of being told I would be tortured in hell for all eternity for self-touch — was probably worse.
I don’t buy into this line of thinking, but literally hundreds of millions of parents worldwide in the Baby Boom generation were taught these precise words. There’s no mystery as to why THEY find self-stimulation so horrifying.
Thank God for giving us the Catholic Church to tell us what is right and what it wrong. And thank God(s) that my partner and I are atheists!
Foxies the funny thing about my life now is that my parents would disagree with almost everything about it, but wearing my chastity belt? THAT they would approve of!
