Tobbe Of course you are right. I was a little too optimistic. 😉

maybe because you wish it 😂

Kurt I would say even this is to high.

of course it's too high, i calculated it using @Tobbe's percentage. i've written my guess below it " i think there are at most 100,000 men and women in germany (maybe even less) = 0,12%"

Sara2001 Like he would make jokes on the yearly village festival after a few beers, that he can't use the pissoir and one day later half of the village would know it. These kinds of events.

😂 but i have to disagree with you a little bit, i think we already represent a relatively large part of the people who wear the chastity belt serously. we are relatively easy to find via google and as far as i know we are the only forum where serious wearers are talked about. there are certainly many belt wearers but 80-90% of them are fetishists (my opinion).

Tobbe I think we can expect around 2% +/- 0.5% men/women on average in Europe, North America and the Middle East.
But then not that all of these use it 24/7.

I think 2% is much too high, that would mean one in 50. I think more like 0.1 to 0.2%.

            Angelina think 2% is much too high, that would mean one in 50. I think more like 0.1 to 0.2%.

            Where then do all those belts and cages who are sold go?
            This is not visible and therefore easy to think that it does not exist either. A bit like genital piercing. Nothing that is visible either, but occurs significantly more than you can imagine it does.

                Tobbe Where then do all those belts and cages who are sold go?

                I think many fetishists in particular have more than one belt.

                I alone already have 2 belts and 2 bras. 😉

                    Tobbe How many serios belts are sold? I mean belts that can be worn 24/7?

                        Sara2001 Hard to know, because the manufacturers do not release any figures.
                        But since they remain year after year and have several models to choose from, there are probably a large number.

                            Vanessa 1 people on 50.

                            sounds like a lot, way mlre that I expect... and also more as I can anyhow believe st first glance...

                                Max9 We will probably include those who use it more sporadically as well. During a session. Only on weekends or a few days now and then.
                                24/7 is probably significantly fewer.

                                    Tobbe We need a metal detector!!! 😁

                                    😂

                                    Tobbe Hard to know, because the manufacturers do not release any figures.

                                    It would be interesting if there were statistics on this from customer surveys.

                                        Sara2001 At least some of these man would very likely not be that strict about their privacy. If only 5% would be open about it, I can imagine, that it would mean that this topic would be relatively well known. Every village would have a wearer who is more or less open about it. Like he would make jokes on the yearly village festival after a few beers, that he can't use the pissoir and one day later half of the village would know it. These kinds of events.

                                        Possible,right.Not sure how discreet are other people about it,generally.But I never heard of someone I know wearing one.

                                        Tobbe I think we can expect around 2% +/- 0.5% men/women on average in Europe, North America and the Middle East.

                                        It is similar to what I thought about people in France,based on these numbers,at least.

                                        Tobbe But then not that all of these use it 24/7.

                                        Sure.

                                        Angelina i think we already represent a relatively large part of the people who wear the chastity belt serously.

                                        We are only a few hundreds,and only a few dozens that post here more or less often,so I doubt we're a large part of serious users.

                                        Angelina I think 2% is much too high, that would mean one in 50. I think more like 0.1 to 0.2%.

                                        This is the result I get for France,based on the numbers @Tobbe gave us.Considering serious users,fetishists,people wearing it permanently,people wearing it only for some play...It seems possible.

                                        Tobbe But since they remain year after year and have several models to choose from, there are probably a large number.

                                        Probably,yes.

                                        Max9

                                        As it is often hidden,I think,it seems possible,while most of the users hide these well,or don't wear it permanently.

                                        Tobbe 24/7 is probably significantly fewer.

                                        I agree.

                                                          Vanessa We are only a few hundreds,and only a few dozens that post here more or less often,so I doubt we're a large part of serious users.

                                                          ok, we won't come to an agreement 😉 yes we are only a few hundred but i think that at least in the western world there are not many serious users

                                                          Vanessa This is the result I get for France,based on the numbers @Tobbe gave us.Considering serious users,fetishists,people wearing it permanently,people wearing it only for some play...It seems possible.

                                                          as I said I don't believe it, but the discussion is useless because neither of us can prove his/her thesis. 😂

                                                                Tobbe But since they remain year after year and have several models to choose from, there are probably a large number.

                                                                But there are only a hand full of serious companies in the world and they don't have thousands of employees. I don't know how long it takes to produce a chastity belt. But I'd only Germany needs 100.000 male belts a year, it should be millons for the whole world. Let's say any company has to produce only half a million a year, that would be 2000 a day.

                                                                    Sara2001 Now a good belt last more than a year!
                                                                    With laser cutting and specialization, I would imagine that the number could be 4 to 10 a good day, from the manufactures in Germany. We should not just focus on higher class belts. You have a BIG Chinese market with 1000 of manufactures, who make adjustable belts and cages.

                                                                        Tobbe Now a good belt last more than a year!

                                                                        Yes, 100.000 means every of these mans have just one belt/cage and use it 5 years. The 500.000 already included several other manufacturers.

                                                                        Do you know any manufactur in China who produce really good quality for long term use? How many percent do you think only use it for playing and fetishism, but not 24/7.

                                                                            Sara2001 You have Cocoondesign from China. Only male belts now, but maybe also female in the future.

                                                                            I have no clue, but I think some start with playing and ends up in 24/7.

                                                                              Tobbe We should not just focus on higher class belts. You have a BIG Chinese market with 1000 of manufactures, who make adjustable belts and cages.

                                                                              i disagree, i would not use "cheap toys" as a basis for calculation 😉 a bobby car is also not a real car 😂

                                                                                  Angelina I agree with you, but I don't think the statistic makes no difference. You are a user, even if it is a poor cheap chastity belt.

                                                                                      Tobbe but I don't think the statistic makes no difference

                                                                                      then in my opinion it's a bad statistic 😂 but yes i understand what you mean, just if i should calculate again, you shouldn't be surprised that i don't include toys

                                                                                          Angelina
                                                                                          If you include only serious user i would start with an estimation on the member at the forum. Let say 1% of the serious user are at the forum I get 700 to 1000 for Germany. From this number you can't estimate how many will start every year.
                                                                                          Not many manufacturer exist but they deliver around the world. If MySteel makes 2 belt per day it will be around 460 to 500 per year. With 230 working days per year. I don't see why it should be more if you consider the delivery time after order. And the 500 are world wide delivery.

                                                                                              Joh I get 700 to 1000 for Germany.

                                                                                              the number sounds realistic, maybe a bit more because we are an english speaking forum with german search queries many probably don't find our forum and rather end up on fetish forums

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