Jonas Eeek! Do you think over-population or farming insufficiency could ever lead to a literal governmental clamp down on sexual activity?

if the government can justify it well, then yes

Avery Hmm. Not wearing a mask is perfectly obvious and makes enforcement easy.

yes, but if the police were empowered by the government to control chastity belts, it would be the same system, it just needs social acceptance.

youdontknowme

the point is very simple. it is also not a question of whether we should equate masks with chastity belts. it is about the fact that the government could decide something that we have to obey and because the majority perceive that as the right thing to do. if the same would be the case with chastity belts, it can also work. Let me explain it like this: how many people do you know who wore masks before corona? I almost nobody. how many do you know who wear a belt? almost nobody. if the state makes it compulsory, that would be different

          Angelina yes, but if the police were empowered by the government to control chastity belts, it would be the same system, it just needs social acceptance.

          Methinks social acceptance will never happen. Most men will never accept any law which interferes with their ability to have sex with women . Any not many women will either. And the justice system isn't big enough to accommodate all the new criminals.

              Avery Methinks social acceptance will never happen. Most men will never accept any law which interferes with their ability to have sex with women . Any not many women will either. And the justice system isn't big enough to accommodate all the new criminals.

              State laws could become less important than company policy.

              If a company decides that fitness is A GOOD THING it can attempt to mandate the wearing of activity trackers. If a company decides that over-population is A BAD THING it could, conceivably (lol) adjust these to also track sexual activity. Then it becomes a matter of: If you can measure it, you can manage it.

              Social acceptance could become a straight choice between having a job, car, house and entertainment or trying to exist on welfare... which (run by private companies) could also require applicants to wear activity monitors.

              Dystopia is always just around the corner I'm afraid. It's up to every generation to maintain its hard won rights and freedoms.

                  Jonas That is why there are laws on what companies can ask of their employees. And sometimes laws on what companies can allow their employees to make sure that it is not done on a "voluntary" basis with very prominent scare quotes around the voluntary.

                      Jonas Dystopia is always just around the corner I'm afraid. It's up to every generation to maintain its hard won rights and freedoms.

                      There are some widely accepted restrictions already. Airline pilots and police (who carry guns in my country) must meet standards others don't have to. A Massachusetts state policeman recently lost a court case in which he insisted he should be allowed to grow a beard. That stuff is hardly dystopian. I'm not worried. Right now employers can't find enough workers. They are offering free lunches and stuff to draw people in, not forbidding people from doing things.

                      The real point I think is that people will accept some things, like drug tests, to get a job, and they do. But they won't accept others, like not being able to get themselves laid. In order for the situation you describe to come to fruition enough people will have to be desperate enough to get a job so companies will be able to find enough willing workers and I don't think that will ever happen if sex is involved.

                          Avery Methinks social acceptance will never happen.

                          never say never. people can be manipulated. the best example is donald trump, if he had been in favour of compulsory chastity belts, he probably would have pushed it through.

                          Jonas

                          in the private sector it is a little different, but even there the employer cannot dictate everything and, unlike the state, he may be able to dismiss you but he is not allowed to check you so easily after you have worn the CB.

                                Angelina donald trump, if he had been in favour of compulsory chastity belts, he probably would have pushed it through.

                                I don't know, he had a pretty conservative base. Bet he had Melania try a few out. I bet Biden and Pelosi wouldn't mind a little of that stuff to brighten up their lives. Pelosi especially.

                                    Avery I don't know, he had a pretty conservative base.

                                    Those are the same people who think not explaining contraception could help against teen pregnancy. I am sure they could be made to believe that chastity belts reduce impure urges.

                                        youdontknowme Those are the same people who think not explaining contraception could help against teen pregnancy. I am sure they could be made to believe that chastity belts reduce impure urges.

                                        Nah. Just listen to country and western music, every song is about guys chasing girls.

                                            Avery Yeah, but that only applies to other girls. Their own daughters must be kept pure until they're married to daddy's approved boy. I think Angelina is right about Trump. He can persuade his idiots to drink bleach, so he could certainly persuade them to belt their daughters.

                                                Angelina in the private sector it is a little different, but even there the employer cannot dictate everything and, unlike the state, he may be able to dismiss you but he is not allowed to check you so easily after you have worn the CB.

                                                youdontknowme That is why there are laws on what companies can ask of their employees

                                                Avery But they won't accept others, like not being able to get themselves laid.

                                                If companies can get people to tattoo their logo onto themselves (google it!!) then I think they can convince people to wear trackers, weakening local law where required (eg: "We'll create 10,000 jobs in your state, if you adjust personal tracker law").

                                                Trackers could realistically include tracking of sexual behaviour. If a company buys into the idea that performance is increased by abstinence so a selection pressure develops for people who are prepared to redirect their sex drive into productivity. (This is basically what's happening to me at home right now - lol).

                                                As to acceptance of sexual restrictions - sex generally comes below food on people's priorities - they could possibly choose chastity if that was the route to secure a job/food/shelter.

                                                        Tonyand03 Yeah, but that only applies to other girls. Their own daughters must be kept pure until they're married to daddy's approved boy. I think Angelina is right about Trump. He can persuade his idiots to drink bleach, so he could certainly persuade them to belt their daughters.

                                                        Maybe. Remember Loretta Lynn (the subject of Coal Miner's Daughter), her grandmother was 33 when she was born. Think about that. Maybe the daughters have to be kept pure, just not for too many years.

                                                            Jonas As to acceptance of sexual restrictions - sex generally comes below food on people's priorities - they could possibly choose chastity if that was the route to secure a job/food/shelter.

                                                            Maybe it depends on where you're talking about because what you say sounds like lunacy. Maybe in Ethiopia people are starving and will give up what sex they can get for a job. Where I live a significant problem is obesity so people have evidently satisfied their food needs and don't have to give up anything, least of all sex, to get food. Another problem is employers can't find good workers, even Dunkin' and McDonald's. They would more likely offer to provide girls to prospective employees than try to get them to be celibate.

                                                                Avery what you say sounds like lunacy.

                                                                Well obviously! We're talking about a possible dystopia here. My point is simply that such things come about one small step at a time.

                                                                  Tonyand03 Yeah, but that only applies to other girls. Their own daughters must be kept pure until they're married to daddy's approved boy. I think Angelina is right about Trump. He can persuade his idiots to drink bleach, so he could certainly persuade them to belt their daughters.

                                                                  Yeah, and those are also the people who, when a boy misbehaves sexually, blame the girls who "enticed" him. So if the goal is to lock up girls, rednecks are probably the easiest political group you could recruit for that cause. Gives a whole new meaning to the term "bible belt".

                                                                    Avery I don't know, he had a pretty conservative base. Bet he had Melania try a few out. I bet Biden and Pelosi wouldn't mind a little of that stuff to brighten up their lives. Pelosi especially.

                                                                    donald trump was just an example, i am not referring to his politics. i just want to say that if someone can find majorities for chastity laws, he can push them through even if it sounds crazy. Trump got the majority and became president even though he is considered by many to be a psychopath

                                                                    Jonas

                                                                    but there is a difference between company laws and state laws. if i don't like the rules in the company i can resign, but it is (almost) impossible to resign from the state, unless you emigrate.

                                                                    Christine And what would be the maximum age?

                                                                    40! don't ask why, i think it's a good age

                                                                            Avery Well, that's the difference between reality and expectation, isn't it? I was thinking in terms of the world of virginity pledges, purity balls and abstinence-only sex education. Uurrgghh.

                                                                                Angelina but there is a difference between company laws and state laws. if i don't like the rules in the company i can resign, but it is (almost) impossible to resign from the state, unless you emigrate.

                                                                                Agree, but if the job market is against you, or if all employers start demanding activity tracking, it becomes more and more difficult for people to avoid submitting to it!! Eeeek!

                                                                                    Tonyand03 Well, that's the difference between reality and expectation, isn't it? I was thinking in terms of the world of virginity pledges, purity balls and abstinence-only sex education. Uurrgghh.

                                                                                    I'm not sure how seriously people take those. I've run against girls from BYU where sleeveless dresses and above the knee skirts are violations of the code of conduct but they run in the same basketball type shirts and huggies we do. Some of them have nice bodies too.