Chastity belt law

Saintprudence

Jen this is why I still have such a conflicted relationship with the church to this day, though it’s getting better. In talking to others, I’m learning that my mom’s version of traditional Catholicism was considered rather extreme. (She all but rejected Vatican II, for instance.)

Yolanda

I think I'd rather have my husband check my chastity belt than have a policewoman do it.
Surely most of your friends would end up locked up as @Ines and Saintprudence say and I think that the anger in the family if the girl is forced, would exist just the same.

James

Saintprudence (She all but rejected Vatican II, for instance.)

That's very odd.

Jen

Yolanda Surely most of your friends would end up locked up

Here (Australia) there's Catholics and the whole Hillsong thing - so yeah it would happen but I don't think most just some. Lol if you asked my friends about this stuff they'd even say I'm the one who gets belted 😂

Megan

Yolanda I think I'd rather have my husband check my chastity belt than have a policewoman do it.

Yes and I thought of that! Like TSA I have told them before that my hands are empty I am not going to pose for them to pat my empty hands going through that silly sci fi booth!!! They can kick rocks!

Ines I do not conceive that a woman who has suffocated her baby has the right to that pleasure in prison.

Absolutely not and it is okay to go straight to the death penalty instead of making sexual pleasure even a topic at all!

Ines I would probably put: husband, father, mother and brother.

IDK about brother I don't think that brothers should be bothered at all.,

Jen 😟

Don't worry it isn't happening although there are some people who have used it as a therapy and it helped them avoid behaving badly with drug addicts and them maybe being in a terrible place!
So whenever it goes to that it will be therapy not prisons like women have now.

Saintprudence

James I still know older Catholics to this day who grumble that everything started going downhill with Vatican II.

Megan

Jen Here (Australia) there's Catholics and the whole Hillsong thing - so yeah it would happen but I don't think most just some. Lol if you asked my friends about this stuff they'd even say I'm the one who gets belted 😂

Don't worry it isn't going to happen at all...
Don't get me all worried! I have to sleep !
Worrying about things like this is what ruined my month anyways.

Ines

Megan IDK about brother I don't think that brothers should be bothered at all.,

I absolutely agree, but I suppose that in a law of this type, the prevalence and hierarchy of possible keyholders would surely have to appear in its articles.

Megan Absolutely not and it is okay to go straight to the death penalty instead of making sexual pleasure even a topic at all!

I, in this, disagree a little with your position. I believe that the regimen in prison should be humane, but strict.
In that sense, I think it would not be a bad idea.

Owl

General remark: Though I believe belts could play a useful and effective role in therapy, legal system incl. the penitentiary system - particularly when put in relation to actually existing offenses and sentences(!) - I wouldn't just start in prisons. Cause if it was introduced there, I'm afraid it would just reinforce that misconception of equating the whole topic with medieval, "torture", pain, punishment (maybe bondage, at best), again.

Doesn't mean it's wrong what you (e.g. Megan , Ines ) wrote. I'm rather with you regarding it's usefulness. Just worrying that all the good and positive aspects might go to rack and ruin, if the general public's first introduction to chastity devices would be something like "ah that's what criminals wear" ...

Angelina I've thought about it again and try to formulate something simple.

Husbands have the right to demand that the wife wears a chastity belt, the wife has to accept this if the husband has informed her before the marriage. he can sue later in court if the wife does not fulfill her marital obligations or is unfaithful.

Parents can apply to the court for the daughter to wear a chastity belt, but they have to justify it well and have it approved by a judge, and there is also supervision by an official authority that checks that the parents are not abusing the power

what do you think of it and do you have any ideas how to make it more concrete?

Would have spared valuable people in my life a big portion of trouble. Generally like your idea. The parenting part is probably in line with principles of existing handling concerning legal guardianship and care I learned to know in Germany. Just adding another instrument. Now, I know it's a controversial topic and I am quite torn between different positions here.

So for now, let me just focus on one aspect and possible shortcoming in "your" version of the law: I'd say, to make a judge rule in favor of that chastity with full conviction, some bad things must already have happened. Unfortunately and from my experience, these could easily mean very serious, sometimes irreversible things

bdsamm
Covering costs of belts would be quite powerful and substantial. One the one hand, It's a significant amount of money. On the other hand, I'd suggest that all direct and indirect costs saved by such a measure (in medical support, incl. therapy, counceling, in criminal prosecution, courts, etc etc), not to speak of all the suffering of humans prevented, incl. the terrible issue of pregnancies that never should have been etc, should be put in comparison. Could be a research project to investigate all the impacts of such measures.

Saintprudence

Megan as weird as the world can be, I feel quite confident in predicting that mass-population chastity belt laws are not likely to happen at any point in our lifetimes.

Angelina

Yolanda we're talking about a law of chastity belts not that we become slaves.

right, and to prevent it from happening, all the important details and especially how far chastity can go should be defined. it starts with whether thighbands are ok in public or can only be used at home to protect the girls from abuse.

Ines But I think that the chastity belt should be mandatory in prisons.

is actually a good idea, could be used for particularly serious crimes or those that would have to do with sexual offences.

Saintprudence I do agree with you there. America’s conservative side, which numbers over a hundred million people, is obsessed with controlling women, preventing masturbation, and enforcing virginity

i agree, if there is ever such a law, it will probably be in the USA first

I've thought about it again and try to formulate something simple.

Husbands have the right to demand that the wife wears a chastity belt, the wife has to accept this if the husband has informed her before the marriage. he can sue later in court if the wife does not fulfill her marital obligations or is unfaithful.

Parents can apply to the court for the daughter to wear a chastity belt, but they have to justify it well and have it approved by a judge, and there is also supervision by an official authority that checks that the parents are not abusing the power

what do you think of it and do you have any ideas how to make it more concrete?

Saintprudence

Angelina I wonder about a scenario where a woman can be legally spared the belt if a male such as her husband volunteers to be locked in her place. There are at least a few men who would seek such an arrangement, and it offers relief to a woman lucky enough to have such friends.

Rina

Angelina it will probably be in the USA first

I think differently, I think Russia might be first, since majority of Russians are conservative Orthodox and in Russia whatever Putin says, it goes. If Putin knows of existence of chastity belt…

Saintprudence

Angelina I've thought about it again and try to formulate something simple.

Husbands have the right to demand that the wife wears a chastity belt, the wife has to accept this if the husband has informed her before the marriage. he can sue later in court if the wife does not fulfill her marital obligations or is unfaithful.

Parents can apply to the court for the daughter to wear a chastity belt, but they have to justify it well and have it approved by a judge, and there is also supervision by an official authority that checks that the parents are not abusing the power

what do you think of it and do you have any ideas how to make it more concrete?

Thinking out loud, because this makes me genuinely curious: a law like this assumes the gender is a clear and specific thing. Women are treated one way in this law, men are treated another. What is the role of trans people here? Does the law consider me to still be male for this purpose? Would I automatically be given belting rights over Goody? Or would I have any rights at all? If the law treats me as female at the point of transition, does my chastity become the property of someone else? Would I go, overnight, from having control of myself to my mother or some relative having authority to enforce my belting? (Haha, there’s a paradoxical image: a potential key holder going to court to enforce a man being belted BECAUSE he wants to transition!) And would that mean that with Goody’s family being my only real living family, my keys would pass to them and I have no real choice in the matter?

Genuinely fascinating thoughts. I’m finding the exercise surprisingly enjoyable.

Angelina

Saintprudence a woman can be legally spared the belt if a male such as her husband volunteers to be locked in her plac

Sorry, I didn't understand that, can you rephrase it differently? 😧

Saintprudence

Angelina I phrased it badly because I was mixing up your voluntary or opt-in scenario with the “all women must be belted” scenario presented early in the thread. So my statement barely made sense in English and probably no sense at all in translation, since it was based on a faulty premise.

Angelina

Saintprudence

Thanks, I tried to write something that doesn't enforce belts from the state, but that a state can agree to the chastity of a wife or daughter at the request of parents or husbands

Angelina

Rina I think differently, I think Russia might be first, since majority of Russians are conservative Orthodox and in Russia whatever Putin says, it goes. If Putin knows of existence of chastity belt…

well, maybe even arab countries, but i started from western democracies. you could be right, of course, but it's only theory anyway.

bdsamm My thought was to simply cover the cost of a belt if a woman desires one. I am thinking that there are a lot of women that would like to have a belt even if just for nighs out with friends at the local pub

maybe you can do it like with social benefits, the woman gets it financed if she presents good arguments for it and makes an application.

bdsamm

My thought was to simply cover the cost of a belt if a woman desires one. I am thinking that there are a lot of women that would like to have a belt even if just for nighs out with friends at the local pub. This might be popular thinking among college women. A very high risk time in a woman's life.

Jen

bdsamm I am thinking that there are a lot of women that would like to have a belt even if just for nighs out with friends at the local pub.

They could tie it into the message about Consent. A new service - the tripple S - Sober Sexual Self. A service to let you make decisions about sexual activity and go out for a night free from worry.

Megan

Owl f the general public's first introduction to chastity devices would be something like "ah that's what criminals wear" ...

Yes criminals and 50 shades of gray people get all the attention.

Angelina

Owl So for now, let me just focus on one aspect and possible shortcoming in "your" version of the law: I'd say, to make a judge rule in favor of that chastity with full conviction, some bad things must already have happened. Unfortunately and from my experience, these could easily mean very serious, sometimes irreversible things

i agree, but of course there must be a concrete reason for the belt. no judge should be allowed to order/permit it just because of the fear of the parents. there must be reasons otherwise every girl wears a belt even if she is a good girl.

Saintprudence What is the role of trans people here?

I have only formulated the suggestion for women because it is most accepted here on the forum that girls/women wear a belt. but you can also apply the law to boys, transsexuals or other gender identities. just as well, anyone can be a keyholder. 🙂

Saintprudence This almost wants me to create a new kind of angle to examine these topics, “Chastity Law Case Studies.” “Sally W. is an unwed college grad student who has has two abortions and no intention of giving up sex. Her parents have petitioned to have her belted until marriage. She objects. What does the Unwed Chastity jury decide?”

i would say she would almost be the perfect example for my idea. not only has she behaved wrongly, but she also does not want to change her behaviour. in this case, i would say that the judge should agree to the parents' request.

Saintprudence because I try to take this place seriously and keep made-up weirdness to a minimum.

if you tag it with a fantasy tag it should not be a problem 😉

Saintprudence And what would happen if she “did not fulfill her marital obligations”? Is this grounds for divorce, or are you proposing it is grounds for belting?

currently it can be a reason for divorce, at least in germany. i considered it more as a reason for the belt here, of course. maybe it would also make wives (or husbands) think and there would be fewer divorces.
For example: Camryn and I were married and she would not perform her marital duties, then I would petition the court to have her wear a belt until she performs her duties again, the court can agree or deny.

Saintprudence Anyone living alone must be under authority.

who should be this authority in your proposal?

Rina

Saintprudence What is the role of trans people here? Does the law consider me to still be male for this purpose?

I think seeing religious fanatics in US... I guess they'll just ignore trans people's existence. Like past dark days when trans people were treated as "deviants". I doubt whether they would recognize people like us in accordance to our gender identity.

And in such draconian situation like that I feel like "marriage for convenience" would soar up at the point everyone get married right after they hit 18 with thier friends, or anyone willing to get paid for "helping girl to be free of chastity belt", probably a marriage brokerage service in a style of "mail-order bride" but gender reversal version I guess.

Saintprudence It sounds almost insane to think of locking up someone like her because her parents disapprove of her sex life.

If lucky some may even get refugee status over such kind of practices. Like many countries including one right north of US may view it as oppression. For example prosecution for being gay in mandatory military service in one's home country was accepted as a ground for refugee status. A popular destination for Vietnam War draft dodgers was also Canada.

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