Ines The problem with such a law is that it hands control of adults over to other adults, and I’m not sure that’s something we really want happening. It formalizes a group of second-class citizens who are dependent on their keyholders. What about women who would want to opt out of the system, but their legal keyholders want them to stay in the belt? What would the the priority order of keyholders if they had no living parents? Would women be permitted to keyhold or would it be strictly about men controlling women? And would single men be subject to being locked up?
Chastity belt law
Saintprudence
Totally agree.
Without a doubt, it is something that I personally do not think is good, or not exactly so.
About those girls who do not want to, but their keyholders do, it is clear that they would have the law against them.
Although I think that, at least in a very substantial part, it could be successful because I think that many fathers and husbands would take advantage of that.
Currently, chastity only works because it is voluntary, I don't believe the horror stories, but in that scenario, without consequences, I would probably have to start believing many scary stories. If we girls lose the protection of willpower, we are lost.
The list of possible keyholders, who are the ones who can ultimately force the girl, would appear hierarchically in the law.
I would probably put: husband, father, mother and brother.
I do not understand or share the concept of male chastity, so they would only serve as a keyholder.
Don't get me wrong, I think this would all be a setback, but I also think that if it were raised, we would be in for a nasty surprise seeing the number of supporters.
Ines Don't get me wrong, I think this would all be a setback, but I also think that if it were raised, we would be in for a nasty surprise seeing the number of supporters.
I do agree with you there. America’s conservative side, which numbers over a hundred million people, is obsessed with controlling women, preventing masturbation, and enforcing virginity. I suspect that the main reason we don’t see widespread interest in chastity on that side of things is that they thinks belts are either a myth or big unwieldy medieval chunks of metal.
I will confess it’s an interesting social simulation experiment for the reasons you mention. How many would do it out of social pressure? Probably a lot. How many adult women would barely be on speaking terms with their families over belting? Also a lot. But then, how many women would have to stay in contact with family members they hated because they hold the keys? I have met a lot of older, very traditional parents who would be thrilled to maintain that level of control over their adult single or divorced daughters, and would be very pleased to know that their husbands had chastity rights.
It is exact.
You have understood exactly what I wanted to express.
I think giving control to the parents would be worse than the state forcing it. Like the girls that are forced into it but see their friends not having to - there would be so much anger within the families.
What happens to Lesbian marriage? Do they get to be each other's keyholders?
It might be used as a loophole by two friends. I guess if the law says chastity belts can be forced then gay marriage would be banned.
Just imagining if they could have forced me to wear it - I'd never be convinced - I'd just hate it and them forever
Jen I think you’d see a LOT of “marriages of convenience” between friends to escape the belt. But even then, women would be giving a lot of trust to their friend that he wouldn’t take advantage of the power it gives him.
American culture gives men way too much power over sexuality already. I’d dress what would happen if men and parents — the literal essence of the patriarchy — had such legal control over all women.
Jen the sad thing is, it would be worth it to some of them. My mom knew that her insistence on deeply traditional anti-masturbation Catholic beliefs drove a wedge between us until the day she died. She didn’t care. She considered it a price she was willing to pay if it made me less likely to masturbate. She would have closed a belt on me in an instant and never looked back if it was an option, and she would have been content with the consequences.
Jen this is why I still have such a conflicted relationship with the church to this day, though it’s getting better. In talking to others, I’m learning that my mom’s version of traditional Catholicism was considered rather extreme. (She all but rejected Vatican II, for instance.)
I think I'd rather have my husband check my chastity belt than have a policewoman do it.
Surely most of your friends would end up locked up as @Ines and Saintprudence say and I think that the anger in the family if the girl is forced, would exist just the same.
Saintprudence (She all but rejected Vatican II, for instance.)
That's very odd.
Yolanda I think I'd rather have my husband check my chastity belt than have a policewoman do it.
Yes and I thought of that! Like TSA I have told them before that my hands are empty I am not going to pose for them to pat my empty hands going through that silly sci fi booth!!! They can kick rocks!
Ines I do not conceive that a woman who has suffocated her baby has the right to that pleasure in prison.
Absolutely not and it is okay to go straight to the death penalty instead of making sexual pleasure even a topic at all!
Ines I would probably put: husband, father, mother and brother.
IDK about brother I don't think that brothers should be bothered at all.,
Don't worry it isn't happening although there are some people who have used it as a therapy and it helped them avoid behaving badly with drug addicts and them maybe being in a terrible place!
So whenever it goes to that it will be therapy not prisons like women have now.
Jen Here (Australia) there's Catholics and the whole Hillsong thing - so yeah it would happen but I don't think most just some. Lol if you asked my friends about this stuff they'd even say I'm the one who gets belted
Don't worry it isn't going to happen at all...
Don't get me all worried! I have to sleep !
Worrying about things like this is what ruined my month anyways.
Megan IDK about brother I don't think that brothers should be bothered at all.,
I absolutely agree, but I suppose that in a law of this type, the prevalence and hierarchy of possible keyholders would surely have to appear in its articles.
Megan Absolutely not and it is okay to go straight to the death penalty instead of making sexual pleasure even a topic at all!
I, in this, disagree a little with your position. I believe that the regimen in prison should be humane, but strict.
In that sense, I think it would not be a bad idea.
Megan as weird as the world can be, I feel quite confident in predicting that mass-population chastity belt laws are not likely to happen at any point in our lifetimes.
James I still know older Catholics to this day who grumble that everything started going downhill with Vatican II.
Yolanda we're talking about a law of chastity belts not that we become slaves.
right, and to prevent it from happening, all the important details and especially how far chastity can go should be defined. it starts with whether thighbands are ok in public or can only be used at home to protect the girls from abuse.
Ines But I think that the chastity belt should be mandatory in prisons.
is actually a good idea, could be used for particularly serious crimes or those that would have to do with sexual offences.
Saintprudence I do agree with you there. America’s conservative side, which numbers over a hundred million people, is obsessed with controlling women, preventing masturbation, and enforcing virginity
i agree, if there is ever such a law, it will probably be in the USA first
I've thought about it again and try to formulate something simple.
Husbands have the right to demand that the wife wears a chastity belt, the wife has to accept this if the husband has informed her before the marriage. he can sue later in court if the wife does not fulfill her marital obligations or is unfaithful.
Parents can apply to the court for the daughter to wear a chastity belt, but they have to justify it well and have it approved by a judge, and there is also supervision by an official authority that checks that the parents are not abusing the power
what do you think of it and do you have any ideas how to make it more concrete?
Angelina I wonder about a scenario where a woman can be legally spared the belt if a male such as her husband volunteers to be locked in her place. There are at least a few men who would seek such an arrangement, and it offers relief to a woman lucky enough to have such friends.