Chastity belt law

Avery youdontknowme Thanks for the sympathy.

While I am not sure whether this was serious (i.e. in reference to my statement that a rape victim is not at fault) or sarcastic (i.e. in reference to my lack of explicit condolences), I do feel the need to apologize that I have not offered emotional support. I tend to not be good at that stuff, a flaw that is probably found in many that share my gender.

Once again, you are not at fault for having been assaulted. That fault lies solely with those who assaulted you - not with you not having worn a chastity belt back then. The fact that you felt the need to take your safety into your own hands is a failing of society to stop those actions before they occur, through education, law enforcement and not condoning the behavior leading up to it. You are not weak for having become a victim in the past, you are strong for braving the rigors of chastity belt wear to ensure that you will not become a victim again. I can only wish that something like this never again happens to you or anyone you hold dear.

youdontknowme a failing of society to stop those actions before they occur, through education, law enforcement and not condoning the behavior leading up to it.

It is not so easy.
Saddely, exist a type of criminals that are the rapists.
It is not fault of education or tolerance. Same that exist killers of house breakers.
I say saddely because, in my opinion is the worst of offenses.

Lana So no girl voluntarily locks herself to prevent masturbation but men do. This shows women have more self control than men. Few loose women are just as perverted as men who lock themselves in a cage, they are called as whores.

Woah there Turbo.

Ines We still could do a lot to make such crimes less common, both in terms of cultural shifts toward abolishing the sexual conquest narrative and in terms of nipping bad behavior in the bud early on so that it does not escalate to the point of assault.

youdontknowme

youdontknowme We still could do a lot to make such crimes less common, both in terms of cultural shifts toward abolishing the sexual conquest narrative and in terms of nipping bad behavior in the bud early on so that it does not escalate to the point of assault.

I think it is not related at all.
A rapist has a mental issue, (however most of them are totally responsible), normal men do not like obtain pleasure with the suffering of a girl, so it is a kind of crime that you can not avoid.
It is very Socratic try to avoid crimes with education.
A robber, is a criminal, and a rapist, the same, education is not important here.

Ines Of course education can only be one part of a larger solution. But education and culture has a track record of reducing crime more effectively than harsh sentencing, through several means, and of course it is not as simple as telling people that crime is wrong:

• Social behavior reinforces biases and beliefs. If, for example, a bunch of boys tell each other that girls owe them sexual favors, a few of them (probably the most mentally unstable) might try to take what they believe to deserve by force.
• Similarly, if someone brags about his latest escapade of less-than-consensual sex to his peers and receives positive feedback, that reinforces his belief that this behavior is acceptable. Similarly, other members of the group may be inspired to try it themselves.
• Much like physical health issues, mental health issues tend to get worse over time if left untreated. Therefore, it is important to detect and respond to problematic behavior before it becomes criminal.
• A culture of shame around being taken advantage of prevents victims from speaking up and their attackers from becoming known.

Now, of course none of that makes rapists a product of their circumstances, and a person should obviously be judged for their actions. And changing societal circumstances will of course not eliminate every rape. Still, I believe the number of sexual offenses can be drastically reduced with a culture of sensitivity.

youdontknowme Indeed, we are getting quite distracted by that position, the only reason I brought up the benefits of male chastity is because I do not want laws to create more gender discrimination.

well, for me at least in the forum it is an unwritten law that we treat everyone as equally as possible. and frankly, I find the main topic too interesting to turn it into a gender fight.

Ines A rapist has a mental issue, (however most of them are totally responsible)

thank you for saying that, finally someone who addresses the right thing. it is quite clear that rape is a crime and it is not the woman's fault if she is raped, whether with or without a chastity belt. the situation that the belt protects the woman from rape must not actually come about and a normal man knows that too.

Lana As people have mentioned earlier, this is getting toxic and let's all stop discussing this issue and discuss something else.

the last sentence was the one you are right about, i don't want to comment on the rest because you are calling for violence and i can't discuss that seriously.

Lana What you are saying is there will be more dead people. No there will be dead rapists and not innocent people.

As I wrote in a earlier posting it is unforgivable that something like this happened to you. It is a shame for our society that it still happens.

I will not start this kind of discussion who has the right to live and who not.
I was pointing out that also the criminals have guns. I do not see an improvement at this situation.

Some people say we should have more surveillance cameras everywhere. What kind of improvement would it be if after a crime was happen we can see it on the record and maybe sue the criminal. We should make the environment safe through sufficient police presence and strengthening of civil courage so that it does not come to a dangerous situation in the first place. I have seen it on the Reeperbahn in Hamburg where police groups are on the road or at the stations in Melbourne at the weekend. That has made a difference.

Firstly,@Lana,being aggressive on men(especially at the start of the topic)would not lead to an interesting discussion,so please calm down.

Lana

It would be very awful for the women...

But,for the wearers like me,it would not be a big change,except we can wear it without having to hide it...

And it should end at marriage.

I think it should apply to both genders,anyway,even if for men,it would be harder(due to the fact they need to get erect for health reasons,and to the fact it can be painful for them).

Laura

Even if engaged?

Ines I edit fantasy tag

Right.

Lana they would invent a smart chastity belt which can be remotely opened by an app.

Very useful for hackers,who could unlock or block the unlocking(already done for some chastity cages using such features).

youdontknowme have a lot of gender-based double standards when it comes to promoting sexual abstinence.

Typically the case for my twin and me.Not the same rules about it at all...

Lana for the sole purpose of preventing masturbation.

And sex before marriage,often.

Avery this could become a problem.

Only if addicted,and excessive.

Angelina i feel like this is somehow going in the wrong direction and turning into a discussion about female versus male chastity

Right...

Lana As people have mentioned earlier, this is getting toxic and let's all stop discussing this issue and discuss something else.

Maybe splitting this topic could be useful.

The word "pervert" comes up a lot in this thread. What unpleasant thread it was to read.

Jonas
I have said a lot of times that I can not understand the purpose of male chastity belts, however I have learned to respect.

Vanessa Firstly,@Lana,being aggressive on men(especially at the start of the topic)would not lead to an interesting discussion,so please calm down.

You are right. In a first time post did not seem, such aggressive, but now, I read it twice, and yes, even if I can not share the approach to male chastity, some words are not adequate.

Now, putting the issues with gender discrimination and how to deal with sex crime aside, here are some ways in which I could see a world where chastity is dictated by policy:

1) Institutional policy. Basically, though there is no law mandating chastity, several institutions (e.g. colleges) might mandate the wearing of chastity devices as a condition of enrolment. While claims that it would reduce distractions are quickly revealed to be false, it did cut down significantly on people who regret drunk sexual escapades.

2) Ya got a loicense for dat? Imagine like just how we require people to demonstrate that they are able to use their motor vehicles and firearms responsibly before we let them handle those in public, people were required to prove their ability to behave responsible sexually before they were allowed to go out in public without a chastity device on.

3) Cultural tradition. Again, no laws mandating any of that, but wearing a chastity belt might be a social norm. I will not start a discussion of starting age here, but wearing your first chastity device might be a coming-of-age right, and young adults living with their parents would have their keys held by them, married people would typically have their keys held by their spouse (to guarantee and demonstrate marital fidelity - this is not necessarily an act of submission, so mutual keyholding within a couple might be totally in line with the tradition). As for singles living on their own... either an older family member living nearby, or a trusted authority in the local community or a community-appointed guardian or something along those lines that ensures the wearer can keep themself sanitary without unchaste behavior. I am kinda getting the mental image of a medieval village where the priest is simultaneously teacher and therapist as well - in a more modern, religiously pluralistic setting something like a medical clinic or something could come to mind.

Angelina what would you say if the government exempted every woman who wears a chastity belt from paying taxes? i admit i would think about it

I'm a willing wearer. So I'd wear the belt, and use the proceeds to oppose the use of it to oppress people. All a government would have to do is pass punitive taxes to turn that tax exemption into coercion.

Vanessa But,for the wearers like me,it would not be a big change,except we can wear it without having to hide it...

And it should end at marriage.

somehow, based on our situation, it would even be an advantage

Jonas The word "pervert" comes up a lot in this thread. What unpleasant thread it was to read.

yes, this thread has an interesting title that is interesting to discuss, but unfortunately a lot of it here was more facebook niveu

gwen All a government would have to do is pass punitive taxes to turn that tax exemption into coercion.

of course, although i admit that if the government tempted me to exempt me from taxes, i might wear the belt for a while. because the only thing I find worse than involuntarily wearing a belt is involuntarily paying taxes

Lana shoot the rapists in the leg and report them

Well, this escalated quickly. Lana, your comments reminds me of a few Whisper posts, where a woman said, "if I was a dictator, everyone who is not married would be forced to wear a chastity belt." Taking away anyone's freedom will always lead to a revolution (or more people to learn about tools to avoid such devices).

Well, I am going to talk only in theorical way, but, I have to admit, further hypocrisy, that your approach makes me think about the point!

youdontknowme 1) Institutional policy. Basically, though there is no law mandating chastity, several institutions (e.g. colleges) might mandate the wearing of chastity devices as a condition of enrolment. While claims that it would reduce distractions are quickly revealed to be false, it did cut down significantly on people who regret drunk sexual escapades.

I am against forced use, but, this is my second year in university and, frankly, I will not see badly that girls in university have to wear a chastity belt. I believe it could have very good consequences.
I know that currently is impossible, but... just my opinion.

youdontknowme Again, no laws mandating any of that, but wearing a chastity belt might be a social norm.

In this case, I would be activist trying to become the use in law.

youdontknowme As for singles living on their own... either an older family member living nearby, or a trusted authority in the local community or a community-appointed guardian or something along those lines that ensures the wearer can keep themself sanitary without unchaste behavior.

Yes... I agree. However, in real life this has a lot of problems.

Raziel Well, this escalated quickly

this is what happens when you wear a belt and don't have sex

does anyone have a suggestion as to what a concrete draft law could look like, including the penalties for breaking the law? i would like to discuss this further, but a template would be good for this.

Ines I am against forced use

Ines In this case, I would be activist trying to become the use in law.

So, mandatory belting is only OK when everyone is belted, not just students?