youdontknowme Some guys do it 5 times a day and then cannot get it up if they find a willing partner. Those are the people for whom masturbation is a problem, and some people try to quit cold turkey like a smoker trying to stop smoking. Though seeking out a therapist may be a more productive idea than locking it up and throwing away the key, especially since unresolved arousal can lead to other forms of problematic behavior.

I would definitely classify masturbation as a potentially addictive behaviour, but I've not been convinced by arguments that such addictions always require therapy. People may smoke and over-eat because they are fruitlessly trying to fill gaps in their lives, but many also do these things simply because they feel nice.

From what I saw NoFap seems to be generally against the idea of chastity belts, preferring that converts to the path make mental changes that they hope will later be expressed as changes in behaviour. From my point of view, as someone who does feel they were addicted to masturbation, the chastity belt serves the same purpose as a lock on the cookie jar, or leaving the cigarettes in the shops. In short, I prefer to use a barrier method!

Am interested in the idea of unresolved arousal leading to problems, but would balance it with the idea that resolved arousal can re-enforce paraphilias.

      Jonas I would definitely classify masturbation as a potentially addictive behaviour, but I've not been convinced by arguments that such addictions always require therapy. People may smoke and over-eat because they are fruitlessly trying to fill gaps in their lives, but many also do these things simply because they feel nice.

      I would reckon that if your main motivation behind masturbation is that it feels nice, it is hard to classify it as addiction unless you spend so much time on it that it prevents you from doing other things. Generally, I would say an addiction is an unnecessary something you compulsively do without really enjoying it. But I feel like this off-topic tangent has overstayed its welcome, so if we want to continue discussing compulsive male masturbation, we should probably move towards another topic. Which is also the reason I will make two different posts here, makes it easier for moderators to split the topic if that is what they decide is appropriate.

          Vanessa How would you check it is respected,and not only worn when needed(for getting the license,for example)?

          Same way we do it with drivers. If you get into a random (or for-cause) check and are found to be driving without a license, you get a fine, or in egregious cases a court summons.

          Probably not going to involve dropping your bottoms in broad daylight to check for fit though, so... uh... I do not know - electronic tagging perhaps? Little RFID tags in the chastity belts (and authorized keys, and unlock licenses) so anyone passing within close proximity of a checkpoint can be scanned to ensure they are wearing the belt and leaving their key behind if they do not have a license with them.

              youdontknowme I would reckon that if your main motivation behind masturbation is that it feels nice, it is hard to classify it as addiction unless you spend so much time on it that it prevents you from doing other things.

              "Feels nice" was a hint towards a possible hijack of brain's reward system. Where an individual's autonomy is compromised that could be seen by some to provide justification for external control.

                  Jonas "Feels nice" was a hint towards a possible hijack of brain's reward system. Where an individual's autonomy is compromised that could be seen by some to provide justification for external control.

                  So generally how does this work, would someone in your situation have a keyholder or does one keep the key and wear the belt to reduce the chance of arousal and subsequently acting upon it? Sorry to be dense about this.

                      Jonas

                      Jonas "Feels nice" was a hint towards a possible hijack of brain's reward system. Where an individual's autonomy is compromised that could be seen by some to provide justification for external control.

                      "Feels nice" as in "eases withdrawal and the brain can rationalize this as positive behavior is very different from actually feeling nice at least in how the behavior should be judged. And of course, withdrawal can be a good treatment for addiction, but it depends on the person. If someone responds badly to withdrawal, professional help may be advisable.

                      Avery So generally how does this work, would someone in your situation have a keyholder or does one keep the key and wear the belt to reduce the chance of arousal and subsequently acting upon it? Sorry to be dense about this.

                      Again, an individual thing. Jonas is happily married and his wife assists him in not letting him have unwanted orgasms, others might tr, managing themselves, though the latter may be difficult if the habit is bad enough to qualify as addiction.

                              youdontknowme Again, an individual thing. Jonas is happily married and his wife assists him in not letting him have unwanted orgasms, others might tr, managing themselves, though the latter may be difficult if the habit is bad enough to qualify as addiction.

                              Thanks but I would like to know what Jonas thinks.

                                  youdontknowme so if we want to continue discussing compulsive male masturbation, we should probably move towards another topic.

                                  we have a thread about excessive mastubation if i remember correctly, i think that's the best place for it 😉

                                  youdontknowme Same way we do it with drivers. If you get into a random (or for-cause) check and are found to be driving without a license, you get a fine, or in egregious cases a court summons.

                                  that sounds kind of creepy. two policemen come up to me and check if my chastity belt is properly fitted and locked. that is cringe 😂

                                        Angelina that sounds kind of creepy. two policemen come up to me and check if my chastity belt is properly fitted and locked. that is cringe

                                        I feel that applies to most stories about legally mandated chastity - sooner or later you run into issues that would be really awkward in reality. Bringing some form of RFID tags into it to avoid regular random strip searches everywhere was an attempt to make it somewhat more palatable at least. But who knows, maybe some people are into the more hands-on option.

                                        And I mean, it would not necessarily happen all the time. In all the time I have been driving, I have only ever been asked for my license at car rental shops, and at my job so they know if I can borrow a company car should I need it. Never ran into a checkpoint.

                                            Angelina two policemen come up to me and check if my chastity belt is properly fitted and locked

                                            Two policewomen 😂

                                                youdontknowme Never ran into a checkpoint.

                                                me neither and frankly the idea is not bad at all. only the idea is somehow.... strange, probably because we can't imagine something like that in society. i think i would have a different view of it if it were as normal as traffic controls.

                                                Laura Two policewomen 😂

                                                would make no difference to me 😂

                                                      Angelina probably because we can't imagine something like that in society

                                                      Same here, but I cannot imagine living a world where everyone (or worse, everyone of a particular sex) were forced into chastity devices either (and the implications that would come with it). Now, a world where everyone was expected to at least give it a try and a significant amount of the population deciding it was not as bad as they feared? Would love to see that, but while society-wide chastity is an interesting subject to fantasize over, all the little stumbling blocks that come with the reality of chastity enforcement just make it feel like somehow not making that scenario a hell on earth would be impractically difficult.

                                                          Renita Really, in this hypothetical it only matters that they are not able to unlock in a public space, so the key being either at home or in the possession of someone with a license would be sufficient. How to deal with the health and safety concerns of leaving home potentially for an extended period of time whithout access to the key is an exercise left for the reader, and a practical concern which makes this a lot better as a fantasy than as a realistic scenario.

                                                              youdontknowme That's my point. Even if there is a hypothetical way to control if a girls wear a chastity belt, but no way if she has an access to the key.

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                                                                  Avery Jonas "Feels nice" was a hint towards a possible hijack of brain's reward system. Where an individual's autonomy is compromised that could be seen by some to provide justification for external control.

                                                                  Hello!

                                                                  So generally how does this work, would someone in your situation have a keyholder or does one keep the key and wear the belt to reduce the chance of arousal and subsequently acting upon it? Sorry to be dense about this.

                                                                  I guess it's a bit of both. A secure belt with a key out of reach prevents masturbation, but over time the habit itself is weakened by virtue of being blocked. So for example, if something triggers my urge to masturbate and I act out, that re-enforces the trigger, but where I am triggered but then prevented from masturbating, the trigger loses some of its power.

                                                                  Also I purposefully avoid triggers when I know that they'll lead to frustration.

                                                                  In terms of who keeps the key... well, I think a chastity belt has to prevent sex, masturbation and removal. Where I have access to the key, I don't think the belt actually counts as a chastity belt and I'll just take it off to masturbate, or even just to avoid the discomfort of wearing it.

                                                                  Over the years I've experimented with my wife holding the key, using a time safe, or depositing it far away. We're wondering whether it would be feasible to have an external person holding it, or checking numbered seals, simply to increase security. The belt isn't really a dom/sub thing for us you see, it's just a tool to achieve a goal.., to keep my eyes on my partner and to stop me playing with myself.

                                                                      Renita
                                                                      Of course a virginity exam should be absolutely mandatory in this scenario.
                                                                      Every quarter in school could be reasonable (in this dystopia) and in case of fail, the key holder should face sanctions, and the girl lose opportunities of achieving universitary studies, jobs with good societal consideration...

                                                                          Ines The most dystopian part about this scenario, to me, is not so much the loss of sexual autonomy, as it is that you are essentially creating a lower caste, even if it is by virtue of actions that the "victim" of this arrangement has some degree of control over. I would hope there are ways a young woman could restore her honor, such as finding a husband who will accept her despite her "troubled" past, or going through a state-sanctioned penance like what Vanessa talked about in another topic. Another question is the nature of the virginity exam - the hymen seems most straightforward, but that can be broken without sexual impropriety.

                                                                              Jonas Over the years I've experimented with my wife holding the key, using a time safe, or depositing it far away. We're wondering whether it would be feasible to have an external person holding it, or checking numbered seals, simply to increase security. The belt isn't really a dom/sub thing for us you see, it's just a tool to achieve a goal.., to keep my eyes on my partner and to stop me playing with myself.

                                                                              Thanks, for me that was quite educational. It puts me in mind of when my father was trying to quit smoking. He would leave the cigarettes out in the car which mean that whenever he wanted one he had to think about it and then, if he still wanted it, make the effort to walk out there and of course we all knew what he was doing so he was kind of admitting a fail. But he had found a way to make the behavior inconvenient and he did eventually quit.

                                                                                  Ines Of course a virginity exam should be absolutely mandatory in this scenario.

                                                                                  Then the law should be about virginity and I believe it's there in few countries

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