Ines I think that if your fantasies do not disturb to anyone, you can include in those to anyone.

but not without the person's knowledge. i certainly wouldn't want someone to use me for their sexual interests without telling me.

      Ines
      It is not just dreaming if he manipulates her into doing things that arouse him. This is very much like peeping on a person or going through their used laundry for panties to sniff - as long as she never finds out, no harm done, but when she does, there is a pretty big chance she is going to feel violated.

          youdontknowme
          No, no.
          I am talking about fantasies without disturb to anyone.
          Since his fantasies disturb her, I am against it.

              Ines A boy can dream with a girl.
              Since he never distubs her, for me is fine.

              yes, but fantasising about someone or dreaming about erotic things is different from involving someone without her knowledge.

              Ines Since his fantasies disturb her, I am against it.

              then excuse my accusation, i understood it differently

                  audioguy58 its not liberal puritanism, its you expecting her to accept and take part in your fantasy. That's putting a lot of weight on her, even assuming she consents.
                  I dont see how you can consider us being concerned for a woman is puritanism. you're imposing your desires on her. If you want her to do this you should discuss it with her beforehand - she may say no, she may say yes which would fulfil your fantasy.

                    And I find the level of concern trolling here rather excessive as well.

                    I feel that I have no choice but to put this idea on indefinite hold.

                    At work, we’ve had some personnel changes, and some changes in scheduling as well. Unfortunately, these changes have not worked in my favor.

                    Additionally, business has been relatively robust, so it’s not as though we’re standing around with nothing to do.

                    Under the present circumstances, I feel I have no choice but to put this idea on indefinite hold.

                    Even before the latest changes, I had already decided that overnight or long-term storage of the keys at work was probably not a good idea.

                    I still would not rule out having Jenna place my keys under seal for the duration of the current work shift, if the planets were aligned just right, but unfortunately we seem to have lost the favorable alignment that existed just a few weeks ago.

                    Perhaps the concern trolls had a valid point or two.

                      audioguy58 Perhaps the concern trolls had a valid point or two

                      This is very immature of you.

                      Please reflect on your fantasies (maybe after jerking off so you have more clarity in your mind). You are involving strangers (yes, your co-worker is a stranger in that setting) without their consent in your kink. You are putting yourself, the company and your co-worker in a tight legal, social and moral spot without their consent. And now you are being off-putting to people trying to warn you about very inappropriate behavior.

                          audioguy58 Perhaps the concern trolls had a valid point or two.

                          well, normally i wouldn't reply at all when someone calls me a concerned troll, but there is a solution to your problem. talk to jenna about your inclinations, ask her if she wants to be your keyholder and respect her decision, then all is well. 🙂

                              audioguy58 And I find the level of concern trolling here rather excessive as well.

                              Oh I see, anyone disagreeing or raising potential concerns that might interrut your sexual fantasies is a troll?
                              Are you perhaps in the wrong forum?
                              You are considering putting your idea on hold because the shift patterns have changed, rather than perhaps thinking that involving your work colleague in your own sex fantasy might not be a great idea. Says a lot about your attitude to women, as does your rude dismissal of us.
                              As others have said @Angelina @hanna_anders if you awnt to involve her, talk to her about it, unless you afraid of being refused.

                              This is the poilte version of my comment, the other 2 I wrote wouldn't have been allowed by @Ines.

                                  kat_anders As others have said @Angelina @hanna_anders if you awnt to involve her, talk to her about it, unless you afraid of being refused.

                                  therein lies the point, we will not forbid anyone here to live out their preferences for belts and chastity, but when another person is involved it must be based on consensus. the rule of consent should also be valid for key holders.

                                    To sum things up, there is fantasy and reality.

                                    Reality:

                                    1. Things happen - I have had my belt suffer metal fatigue (break) and must be removed to avoid cuts (twice). Screws come loose (many times before I found a solution).
                                    2. Someone, who has another thermostat key, might see the extra key and remove it
                                    3. Illness/injury
                                      3a) Large dog jumps in your lap and lands on something sensitive... (yup been there while locked in my belt - only provided partial protection)
                                      3b) While I was in the basement typing on my computer (sitting in a nice chair) my back went out. I was locked in my belt with the only key I could get in my bedroom on the 2nd floor. I was alone. This was not pretty. As my lower back was swelling, my belt was very much in the way.
                                    4. Involving someone else in your fantasy - as stated by others above - consent is considered required. Although, there is no law requiring it.

                                    Fantasy:

                                    1. You gave someone all your keys and you can't get them until ? Days. Might be ok, might see something listed (or unlisted) above...
                                    2. The person you have do this complies with out asking any questions. Life goes on...

                                    @audioguy58 Sorry this is just a bad idea, but to each his own. I suggest you find someone you can talk to, open up about your desire for them to be a keyholder for you. Develop a plan (make sure you have an emergency plan) then live in reality.

                                      JonesMacGyver @audioguy58 Sorry this is just a bad idea, but to each his own. I suggest you find someone you can talk to, open up about your desire for them to be a keyholder for you. Develop a plan (make sure you have an emergency plan) then live in reality.

                                      well said, thank you 🙂

                                        Ines Sincerely. Thanks for being polite.

                                        kat_anders Oh I see, anyone disagreeing or raising potential concerns that might interrut your sexual fantasies is a troll?
                                        Are you perhaps in the wrong forum?

                                        Angelina someone calls me a concerned troll,

                                        cantsolvethecaptcha This is very immature of you.

                                        We are definitely not trolls. You can get one of those online timers to hold your keys and you know this. You like your girl boss and want to involve her in a game without her knowledge and this is very wrong

                                                4 months later

                                                I’m hoping at some point to go forward with my original plan, if for no other reason than to piss you people off.

                                                  audioguy58 Classy. I didn't think it was possible to make this plan any more disrespectful to the individual involved, but nope, this would do it.

                                                    In nearly every case, the naysayers and concern trolls are merely rehashing issues I’ve already debated with myself inside my own head, so why should I give them the time of day?