Complaining - requirements - bribes - I dunno

It is very stressful that @Jen parents waited until just before to tell her she needed to bring her belt to vacation...

However theres not really a reason to say "My belt wont last for a week of hard partying" How bad is your vacation???? ️ I mean here in the middle of USA we have BURNINGMAN day with rituals to pagan gods and public group sex and NO plumbing or water Uhhhh....
But unless I have to go to that for graduation I think my belts are great to take to vacations.

It sounds like you will have help. You can go to the beach without rubbing sand into your pants. No problem...

If you get super angry about it I wouldnt bother because you will get angry everytime you have to go meet your mom.
IDK what to do with all the talk about seals and phone video calls to your mom, if you could use a box of those and your private bathroom none of your friends will see you have to meet your mom and be suspicious of your chastity.

curious And getting back to your own situation. What about if you had been offered a car at age 16 (assuming driving at that age was legal in Germany like it is in the US or Australia)? Would it have been more tempting then compared to what it is now?

first of all, in germany you are only allowed to drive a car from the age of 17 (and then only with an escort), and secondly, my answer at the time would have been no. i wasn't together with my girlfriend when i got the belt, and the prospect of being in the belt for years is not worth a car

Jen

i see you have made a decision and i think it is a good decision. i wish you a lot of fun with the trip and later with the use of the car.

youdontknowme The lack of ownership transfer for the car is a bit of a bummer though. I mean, not formally transferring it may have some tax or insurance benefits, but them still being firm that they only let you use it at their pleasure seems like a bit of a cop-out.

my car is also in my father's name because the insurance is cheaper. i think it is important that @Jen does not have to ask before she can use the car, but is free to use it at any time.

curious Simple solution. You just go 'f... K. I left the key at home. Now I am stuck in this thing until I get back'.

good idea, that's how i would do it to avoid discussions

Megan It is very stressful that @Jen parents waited until just before to tell her she needed to bring her belt to vacation..

that's right, demanding it a few days beforehand was not a very good action, it should have been discussed much sooner.

Angelina the prospect of being in the belt for years is not worth a car

But if I read your profile correctly, you have been in a belt for many years and actually been one of those with the strictest rules and full set of equipment.
It occurs to me that you are actually pretty lucky with your father accepting your partner. More often than not, strictly conservative views also include a complete rejection of same sex relationships, and that would mean you still would be in full equipment without any end in sight.

Angelina (and then only with an escort)

Better say with supervision. "Escort" can have very different connotations and a 17-year-old should not be having one of those in their car.

youdontknowme Better say with supervision. "Escort" can have very different connotations and a 17-year-old should not be having one of those in their car.

What she said is perfectly fine where I'm from.

youdontknowme Escort" can have very different connotations and a 17-year-old should not be having one of those in their car.

The chances of crashing would be much higher

curious

that's true, but luckily my father is quite open about it, he knew before that i am bisexual. i think he wouldn't risk losing me because he knows that i love my girlfriend extremely. in the meantime she is almost like a second daughter to him, so it's all good.

youdontknowme Better say with supervision. "Escort" can have very different connotations and a 17-year-old should not be having one of those in their car.

yes, my choice of words was a little bad

Angelina my choice of words was a little bad

If life permits I would encourage you to spend a few years living and working in an English speaking country.
Subtle meanings of a language are best learned that way. But that is no criticism, for having learned only in school you are doing really well.

curious

my girlfriend was born in the USA and if i have problems she can always help me. my life plan doesn't allow me to go abroad and outside of holidays i don't want to leave germany either.

Angelina my girlfriend was born in the USA

Cool. Mind saying what part of the country? I also heard your government is going to pay household's gas bills for December. That's cool too.

Avery But quite literally the bill. So the monthly rate, averaged over the whole year and based on last year's actual consumption and prices. Given that winter months typically require more heating and prices have recently increased, it sorta is less than it sounds like.

Sure, it is better than nothing, but in the end, we will still end up paying for it via taxes, and unlike social security or infrastructure projects, this is not something where pooling payments into a single entity who manages the money is useful or effective, and with how much of our country's tax income is from VAT, a flat, if not even regressive tax, it is not really great at moving wealth from people with money to spare to those barely scraping by, nor does it really stop the people who are profiteering from this crisis at the general public's expense.

youdontknowme But quite literally the bill. So the monthly rate, averaged over the whole year and based on last year's actual consumption and prices. Given that winter months typically require more heating and prices have recently increased, it sorta is less than it sounds like.

Right. I listen to "Feli From Germany" on Youtube and she did explain about the average billing but I didn't really connect it with the December payment.

Avery
It is actually not all cool.
In Germany social security standards are pretty high, that's right. The downside is, that taxes and compulsory payments to social security are among the highest in the world. As a result, even if you have a decent gross income, after taxes and necessary payments for rent, food, etc there is for many families hardly anything left to save. So the German government was more or less forced to hand out that payment because many families could just not afford the increased costs.
in Switzerland by comparison, taxes are much lower and salaries higher. Here people frequently have the ability to save money and accordingly, Switzerland has not needed to hand out extra money for increased energy costs and most people still get along fine.

curious At least you hd help with the costs. In Britain wages are generally lower and prices are higher, and government help has been basically non existent.

reactionary69 He probably ment this kind of escort: https://carhumor.net/25-years-old-escort/#

not this bunga wax figure.... no

youdontknowme Your girlfriend is Bruce Springsteen?

Avery Cool. Mind saying what part of the country? I also heard your government is going to pay household's gas bills for December. That's cool too.

she was born near tucson (arizona). no our government doesn't really pick up our bills. @youdontknowme explained it well

curious The downside is, that taxes and compulsory payments to social security are among the highest in the world.

correct, only belgium is higher

Hey @Jen I'm a bit late to the party and I know I've been supportive of you in the past, but I'm with your Mum on this one... you absolutely should stay locked for schoolies. I'm sorry!
Hope it goes well for you. If you were my daughter I'd be welding that thing on to you for the week.

Sin Hope it goes well for you. If you were my daughter I'd be welding that thing on to you for the week.

Sin Give her some credit. So far, she has reliably shown her will to persevere. I think she will also be able to hold her own during the party.