curious Actually, both masochism and sadism are still part of medical diagnostic standards, but today there is one critical element that must be present for this diagnosis to actually apply: the person must feel that he/she is actually suffering from having these feelings. If you have either masochistic or sadistic urges but are completely fine with that, the medical diagnosis criteria are not met.

My husband is not a sadist, I am not a masochist. Non of us is enjoying discipline. We enjoy hierarchy and structure. Discipline is a tool, not a purpose.

    curious I doubt that she will be temotionally raumatised or needing psychological treatment from having been kept in chastity until her wedding.

    I think so too, I think I will be able to have a completely normal marriage, at least I don't see myself in a clinic in 5 years, but happy in bed with my wife. 🙂

    Rina Personally I won't let my daughter, if I have any in future, to wear a chastity belt even if she asks me for one,

    Rina And some even wants to force their daughters to wear a belt despite being an involuntarily wearer at first time

    name me one case here, i don't know anyone from the involuntary who wants to force their daughter into a chastity belt. besides, there is a lot of space between forcing and forbidding to wear a belt.

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            Angelina there is a lot of space between forcing and forbidding to wear a belt.

            It's more like I won't become keyholder of my future daughter's (if I have any) chastity belt.

                curious You know, it is abuse, what her father did, right? I don't like the way you put that into perspective. This has nothing to do with rules in a family, which may be different for different families. This is the reason, why laws exist. Family rules can only exist within the confines of the law
                Otherwise we would be in the situation in Rome 50BC. The 'pater familias' had the absolut power. He could punish, exclude family members, even kill family members.
                This power is limited by law in the meantime. And that's great.
                You may have noticed that I am only representing the legal situation here. So I'm not entirely alone with my opinion.

                    a_father You may have noticed that I am only representing the legal situation here. So I'm not entirely alone with my opinion.

                    False.
                    Just because you do not share the dynamics of other people's lives, does not mean you do not abide by the law or defend it.
                    I think it is pretty clear lately that the conversations here need to stick to the latter.

                      a_father You may have noticed that I am only representing the legal situation here.

                      This forum is international. For that reason there is no point discussing legal aspects as they vary by country. Besides, I am no lawyer and I do not recall ever having read about a legal case where the decision to use a CB for parenting and protection was actually declared I,, egal. But please feel free to provide the case file number, I am more than happy to read up on that.
                      Unless you can provide such, I will assume you just have your own interpretation of what is legally ok in your country just as other people have their interpretation.

                          Rina It's more like I won't become keyholder of my future daughter's (if I have any) chastity belt.

                          completely ok, no one will force you to 🙂

                          curious For that reason there is no point discussing legal aspects as they vary by country.

                          that's true, but i can't think of any western country where it's legal, but you're also right, i don't know of any specific cases where a judge has actually ruled on it.

                                Angelina but i can't think of any western country where it's legal,

                                Considering how conservative the red states in the US have become, banning all abortions.....
                                I think especially in those states you actually might have a pretty good chance CB will be legally accepted for strict parental control and raisi g children according to conservative values.
                                But unless some case gets in front of a judge, that's just speculation.

                                    curious

                                    I think the case would end up in court, as would the new anti-abortion laws. At the end of the day, that's certainly difficult for the court because it would set a precedent

                                        a_father Don't do that. You can't imagine how weired this would be for her. You live in an absolut parallel world now. When you are free for a while an look back you'll understand. Perhapse you even want to talk with the athorities about what happened to you.

                                        It seems to me that you are slightly demonizing the chastity belt. It is one thing to encourage girl to wear a chastity belt, and quite another to talk about it, show it, or even allow it to be tried on.

                                        a_father Otherwise we would be in the situation in Rome 50BC. The 'pater familias' had the absolut power. He could punish, exclude family members, even kill family members.

                                        Respect for referring to Roman law 😀

                                        Angelina i don't want to harm my daughter, but the day will come when she might ask what my sex life was like in my teens or young adulthood and i would like to be honest in such an important conversation.

                                        Reasonable approach.

                                                Angelina
                                                Yes. But my point is, that it is probably not possible to predict which way the courts would rule. Hence claiming that using a belt on children is per se illegal seems to me not convincing.

                                                    Andrew It seems to me that you are slightly demonizing the chastity belt. It is one thing to encourage girl to wear a chastity belt, and quite another to talk about it, show it, or even allow it to be tried on.

                                                    thank you, that is the only thing i am trying to explain 🙂

                                                    curious Hence claiming that using a belt on children is per se illegal

                                                    I think it is at least illegal if it happens against the will of the child because children also have a right to develop freely sexually.

                                                          Angelina I think it is at least illegal if it happens against the will of the child because children also have a right to develop freely sexually.

                                                          In Germany - yes. But would that hold true in very conservative states in the US? I am not sure your interpretation is a given there. You have to balance the right of a child to develop freely against the right of parents to decide how a child is raised. And in those very conservative states the second might well get the higher priority in courts.
                                                          But again, as long as this is not testet in court, we will never know and everything we say one way or the other is just speculation.

                                                              curious But again, as long as this is not testet in court, we will never know and everything we say one way or the other is just speculation.

                                                              Yes, I agree, may I add that I'm surprised that court cases like this haven't existed for a long time? I mean here in the forum alone is already enough "potential", which surprises me

                                                                  Angelina
                                                                  I am not at all surprised. I mean.... look at your own case.
                                                                  By your own classification you are Involuntary wearer but you kind of accept the decision your father has made. Given the price tag of a good belt, parents who are not really interested in the well-being of their children would not invest that kind of money. But if parents are so interested in the well being of their children, this usually would reflect in a pretty good relationship. And if the trust and emotional connection is good, just like with you the belt will be accepted as part of the parental authority (even though you don't like it), but you would not take your father to court to get out, would you?

                                                                      Angelina Perhapse all fakes? That would mean no risk to be caught. It is like the Fermi-paradox (aliens, that should be here, but no visitors and no signals in the darkness of space). It can be solved, when no aliens exist at all.
                                                                      The number of boys and girls here, claiming to wear a chastity belt means the possibility of a minor wearing a belt being caught is not zero. I'm here for a long time, but it never happened. When such a teenager would be caught wearing a belt in school (or on other public events) you would read about it, I'm sure. Then we could see, what happened with the parents.
                                                                      But this has never happened.

                                                                          curious

                                                                          well, i believe my father that he is really doing this to protect me, it is definitely the wrong way, but because i can understand his motivation better now, i don't go to the authorities. however, i am surprised, that so far there have been no cases where a girl has decided otherwise.

                                                                          a_father

                                                                          even if a girl is caught doing it, it doesn't mean that others will get involved. look, girls get beaten up on the street without passers-by helping her, they just walk by. many will rather think "not my business", the same goes for the chastity belt

                                                                                Angelina I'm not sure. A chastity belt is something very unusual. And unusual things are interesting. And a teacher in school must report such a discovery to the authorities.
                                                                                By the way, I havent read something from one mother making her minor daughters wear a chastity belt her in the forum. Perhapse one of them was caught.... What II want to say is, in this case members would just disappear and nobody would notice. To protect the victim a trial would take place behind closed doors. So nobody can say if it has happened till now.
                                                                                And concerning your father: What is he trying to protect you from? This is the question you should ask him. There is no need to protect you from making love with your girlfriend...

                                                                                    a_father There is no need to protect you from making love with your girlfriend...

                                                                                    To some folks all orgasms are created equal, whether with a guy, a girl, or alone.