Why do you think masturbation is wrong?
Joh Under consideration you start to find out what sexuality is masturbation is the first step before you have a relation with someone else.
yes, that was the case with me too, but it's a bit difficult with the other one. I was 14 and then your example is correct, but many started much earlier than I did
so just so i get it right: your thesis is that you think i accept the belt because i have sadomasochistic traits, wow !
a_father It becomes very bad, when you can read here, the current weares would suggest their future daughters to wear a chastity belt.
I would never suggest it to my daughter, but talking about it is not a crime, what my daughter does with the information would remain her own decision
a_father But she thinks about suggesting her (future) daughter wearing a belt...
no, I don't, sorry if that was expressed wrongly, I just want to show her what I wore, why and what advantages and disadvantages there are, after that she can decide what she wants, she can also ignore it completely. I'm only writing about hypothetical situations in which my daughter would want it and how I would react to it
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You are totally right, @Avery , it is abject, but I think we do not make a favour to the forum talking again about a old thread that was locked.
I think exactly the same than you about this point, and it is awful saying the less.
In fact, I will hide it.
Forum is much better right now, even if we have a lot of work in the future.
Please, do not remove old stuff.
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Ines it is abject, but I think we do not make a favour to the forum talking again about a old thread that was locked.
I agree, @Ines . But I thought it was worth it to point out that after, supposedly, going through all these terrible - abject you said - experiences she now suggests she is going to expose her daughter to the same. @a_father is right when he says "It is very bad" and "But she thinks about suggesting her (future) daughter wearing a belt".
By the way Chastity bra, the thread I quoted, is not locked. I quoted her in part to make sure she did not delete the stuff.
Honestly from my experiences with German culture, nudity in the family is usually no big deal. Of course there is a difference between not wearing clothes and being ordered to take them off, but that difference is mostly the consent boundary that her father has already crossed, but that she would not want to cross in the same way with her daughter.
youdontknowme but that she would not want to cross in the same way with her daughter.
It is the father that must not cross the boundary.
Kaja Good words. I agre3 with you for 150%
I wouldn't say that I am in a sm relationship. I am not in a relationship with equal rights, so I disagree in this point. But I am in a consensual relationship where I agreed (and still do) to have less rights and to be kept belted. Beside this, I can agree.
But I think what we do has almost nothing in common with SM. SM is mostly a sex game.
Angelina so just so i get it right: your thesis is that you think i accept the belt because i have sadomasochistic traits, wow !
As I replied to @a_father, I don't want to discuss individual cases. My hypothesis and its development were of a general nature, which does not mean, however, that they apply to everyone. It's my fault that I didn't anticipate @a_father referring to a specific case (yours). If you felt offended by my reasoning, I am very sorry.
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Sara2001 I wouldn't say that I am in a sm relationship. I am not in a relationship with equal rights, so I disagree in this point. But I am in a consensual relationship where I agreed (and still do) to have less rights and to be kept belted. Beside this, I can agree.
But I think what we do has almost nothing in common with SM. SM is mostly a sex game.
Sadomasochism is not a fully defined concept, so everyone can understand it differently. Personally, in the context of typical consensual play, I usually use the term "BDSM". Sadomasochism has a broader (medical) meaning for me, including situations where there is a hierarchical relationship of a sexual or quasi-sexual nature between two unequal parties, one dominant and the other subordinate. Both the DSM-5 classification and (no longer valid) ICD-10 exclude "classic" BDSM from the spectrum of sadomasochism for the purposes of diagnosis.
Andrew Both the DSM-5 classification and (no longer valid) ICD-10 exclude "classic" BDSM from the spectrum of sadomasochism for the purposes of diagnosis.
Actually, both masochism and sadism are still part of medical diagnostic standards, but today there is one critical element that must be present for this diagnosis to actually apply: the person must feel that he/she is actually suffering from having these feelings. If you have either masochistic or sadistic urges but are completely fine with that, the medical diagnosis criteria are not met.
Angelina I would never suggest it to my daughter, but talking about it is not a crime, what my daughter does with the information would remain her own decision
You want to tell your daughter, you were abused by your father? This may distroy the relationship between your (future) daughter and her grandpa. She may be scared of him afterwards. Better you wait till she is an adult. Othewise she may fear having to wear a chastity belt, too.
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Andrew I think one example (@Angelina) that doesn't match would show you, your theory isn't perfect (but definitely appropriate in some cases). In physics you need only one negative example to break a theory. Comming from a technical background, I often argue like this. Of course, this doesn't have to be the case everywhere.
Some girls don't like the belt but the power imbalance was in the beginning so huge that they couldn't reject the atempt. If @Angelina 's story is true, so is her.
I think if the power imbalance or the brainwashing is intensive enough, everybody can be talked into a chastity belt. This is my problem with this kind of families and especially the keyholders.
a_father The truth is sometimes hard, sorry.
No, it only is when someone insists on being inconsiderate.
The "truth" in most cases, except a few, can be replaced by "your opinion."
Apart from that, your words in your last post are acceptable, not in the previous one, proof that, when you want to, you are even capable of speaking like a normal person.
Keep this tone in the future. Thank you.
curious Actually, both masochism and sadism are still part of medical diagnostic standards, but today there is one critical element that must be present for this diagnosis to actually apply: the person must feel that he/she is actually suffering from having these feelings. If you have either masochistic or sadistic urges but are completely fine with that, the medical diagnosis criteria are not met.
Regarding masochism. What you write applies under the DSM-5. Masochism is no longer a disorder according to ICD-11. From the old category of "sadomasochism" (in ICD-10), only "Coercive Sexual Sadism Disorder" is left (code 6D33 in ICD-11).
As for sadism, it can be diagnosed in both classifications not only if it disturbs the person, but also if he or she takes actions under the influence of this disorder that pose a threat to other people (this applies mainly to sex offenders).
First, I clearly wrote that it is a HYPOTHESIS, that is, something that can be confirmed or disproved. Secondly, I pointed out that it concerns the "large part of the girls on the forum", not "all" or even "the majority". You, on the other hand, provided a good argument against my hypothesis, for which I am grateful. 
curious Actually, both masochism and sadism are still part of medical diagnostic standards, but today there is one critical element that must be present for this diagnosis to actually apply: the person must feel that he/she is actually suffering from having these feelings. If you have either masochistic or sadistic urges but are completely fine with that, the medical diagnosis criteria are not met.
Do I understand it right. If a person doesn't suffer under e.g spanking, the person is no masochist?