Christine What's a difference from emergency key? Keyholder should be able to let you out at any time.

The difference would be that your aunt cannot let out your mother without you knowing it. So secretly having different rules preferential to your mum will not be possible then. So you can be confident that she will honour the agreement of same rules and freedoms (or actually the degree of enforced chastity) and enter into that contract with your aunt with confidence that it 2ill be fair and equal.

    Angelina I never cared about double standards

    But you should. Double standards are wrong on an ethical level. I know your mother did a poor job of being a role model in that regard, but once you have realised this, it is for you to become better and do the right thing than rather repeat the same unethical behaviour.

        Christine And change her mind later.

        it can happen, but if you think it's not fair and your aunt would prefer your mother, you can always cancel the deal and stop using the belt again. unlike a year ago, you hold all the cards yourself.

        curious But you should. Double standards are wrong on an ethical level. I know your mother did a poor job of being a role model in that regard, but once you have realised this, it is for you to become better and do the right thing than rather repeat the same unethical behaviour.

        why am I quoted when @Christine wrote this? 😂

            Christine And change her mind later.

            If don't trust your aunt make no deal with her.

                Christine What's a difference from emergency key? Keyholder should be able to let you out at any time.

                curious already answered for me (thx).

                Joh If don't trust your aunt make no deal with her.

                I'd add that trust often is not a binary of absolute trust vs absolute mistrust, no matter the circumstance. (For the record, Joh, not that I'm saying that's what you claimed.) Yet, I support the general line of reasoning. Either I'd find rules and measures that gives me sufficient trust in the arrangement (particularly keyholder(s)), or I wouldn't consent to it.

                Generally, I also could imagine small steps to learn about a certain person. How they behave and handle situations. Like trial periods. For instance, letting them bear the responsibility for 1 single day, or 1 day per week, while the rest of time stays the current situation. When I got a bad feeling at some time, I'd investigate about the reason; and if no reasonable explanation I'd refrain to go further for a time, rather roll back.

                      Owl For the record, Joh, not that I'm saying that's what you claimed.

                      Everyone has to find out for themselves whether they trust someone. That was the content of my statement.
                      If there are concerns, I advise you to have some kind of protection so that you can always get out of the situation.

                        Owl Generally, I also could imagine small steps to learn about a certain person. How they behave and handle situations. Like trial periods. For instance, letting them bear the responsibility for 1 single day, or 1 day per wee

                        sorry, this can work for small things, but we are talking about giving up control of one's sexuality, there has to be trust, there has to be 100% trust and if there is not 100% trust, then you should not give the key to that person.

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                            Angelina

                            I was talking about Christine evaluating the possibility of her Aunt keyholding her mother's belt. (Or part-time holding as trial / intermediate solution). Which could be an improvement to entangle this unwholesome situation between Christine's mother and C. (The mutual mistrust and all that stuff between those two going on for so long now.)

                            How Christine wants to handle her own chastity is a second question. If I was involved, I'd see unraveling the relationship dynamics between mother and daughter as the primary issue.

                                Owl . (The mutual mistrust and all that stuff between those two going on for so long now.)

                                i agree here, there really is a problem. but i think before you think about both in the belt and keys to the aunt, you should work on these problems, otherwise it won't work because there will always be mistrust.

                                  a month later

                                  I didn't write for a while coz I've lost my credentials to this site. Remembered today.
                                  Not many updates. Mom wears her belt all the time and she seems get used to it well.
                                  And I don't wear one.

                                    Christine
                                    What about the keyholdering offer for both of you? And news on that front?
                                    Do you still allow your mom to have breaks for private time or have you progressed her to the same strict "no masturbation" rules you had before?

                                        Christine Mom wears her belt all the time and she seems get used to it well.

                                        i still think it would be good if both or neither of you wear a belt, anything else is kind of a double standard
                                        PS: Nice, you are back 😉

                                            curious What about the keyholdering offer for both of you?

                                            I declined.

                                            curious Do you still allow your mom to have breaks for private time or have you progressed her to the same strict "no masturbation" rules you had before?

                                            Same rules as before, since I don't care.

                                            Angelina PS: Nice, you are back

                                            Thank you.

                                                    Christine Same rules as before, since I don't care.

                                                    i don't care is unfortunately the worst thing a keyholder can do, you have a responsibility!

                                                        Jonas So no breaks for her then?

                                                        There are breaks when she is not alone.

                                                        Angelina so your mother still has breaks to masturbate?

                                                        No, she doesn't. It's not being discussed.

                                                              Christine So. The turn around in circumstances here seems to be complete. Wow.

                                                              I wonder if all keyholders on here should seriously consider weather it's actually them that should be wearing the belt!!

                                                                  Christine No, she doesn't. It's not being discussed.

                                                                  well, then your mother is now experiencing exactly the same thing that you experienced before.