Ines
Thank you. Though I might need to work on that feeling of "post-posting-guilt" 😊 , which tends to arise after noticing I buried a thread under a wall of text ⛰️ again. ;-)

Concerning Christine's situation, I agree. It is far from ideal.

And I say that despite the general argument, that became sort of a motto of the forum: Consequent belting indirectly promotes to keep relationships vivid. This depends on the prospect if returning to single state would inevitably mean chastity (again) as well: If there is no allurement to indulge in the alleged or actual liberties of "single-sex life", breaking up holds no carnal incentive. Consequently the genuine reason of breaking up / divorce would only be to end an already failed relationship, which is legitimate in many cultures.

Getting back to Christine's situation, however: When I read reports about how her mother allegedly behaves and Christine's struggles with that, I still feel sort of sad. As it is now, I have difficulties as well, to see whether it's in Christine's interest, at the end. Rather it gives me a resonance of "this is not how it's supposed to be".

This and the conflict of wishing to improve the situation but a very limited ability to do so.

    Ines You are right, but listening to what she tells us, I think this case borders on abuse a bit.

    Probably we don't see the whole picture since her relatives approve it

        Laura Probably we don't see the whole picture since her relatives approve it

        then i would pass the question on to @Christine, why do your relatives think what your mother is doing is good? another question, do you have any friends you could go to and who could support you to become independent again, i.e. bridge your financial problems until you can take care of yourself again?

            Angelina who exactly are you talking about?

            Who is supposed to rescue me from the belt.

            Owl but if your mother actually praised your belting as an achievement when talking to them, this sounds to me as a pretty logical starting point for the "Good for one single, good for all single"-argumentation

            Other single female relatives are not belted.

            Yolanda I don't think it's a problem of credibility, but of coherence

            Coherence? Please elaborate.

            Angelina why do your relatives think what your mother is doing is good?

            Coz it works as intended.

            Angelina do you have any friends you could go to and who could support you to become independent again, i.e. bridge your financial problems until you can take care of yourself again?

            Nobody would do it without having something back. Only a boyfriend.

                        Christine Nobody would do it without having something back.

                        yes, but in friendship it's a give and take. i helped my best friend yesterday and she will help me if i ask her, that's what friends are for, even if they don't know yet if they will get something back from you. so again the question, is there anyone besides your mother you can live with until you recover financially?

                            Angelina is there anyone besides your mother you can live with until you recover financially?

                            It's possible, but not for a long time.

                                Christine It's possible, but not for a long time.

                                are there no authorities in your country that could support you financially or get you a job. or at least pay you a share if you were to live with friends?

                                    Angelina are there no authorities in your country that could support you financially

                                    Plenty of them, but I'm not ready to fall so low. The situation is not so bad yet.

                                        Christine Plenty of them, but I'm not ready to fall so low. The situation is not so bad yet.

                                        so you see it as more humiliating than being locked up in a chastity belt by your mother?

                                            Angelina so you see it as more humiliating than being locked up in a chastity belt by your mother?

                                            Ofc, it would make more troubles than a chastity belt.

                                                Christine Ofc, it would make more troubles than a chastity belt.

                                                i see it a little differently, then you would at least have some money and be free of the belt, but of course you would then have to follow their conditions.

                                                    Angelina i see it a little differently, then you would at least have some money and be free of the belt, but of course you would then have to follow their conditions.

                                                    The :flag_🇺🇸a is different from other countries even if they say it's the richest (or at least has the most bombs and guns) the smart rich don't pay taxes and so no one knows where the taxes go so if people need something they have to sort of get in line and fight and they never know what they will get until afterwards. Like medical bills, somebody got a stomach worm and just had to get some medicine and it turned out to be a $1MM bill you only know how much the state will pay afterwards after you get in line for years to fight with them.

                                                    Although @Christine have you found anything you can do for work? That won't pay enough to live but it can get you something to feel good getting out of the house??? 🤷

                                                        Megan

                                                        i know a bit about how the system is set up in the us thanks to my girlfriend, so i asked @Christine. she said it is possible to get this support. i agree though that a real job would be better

                                                            Angelina we might get something we might not. We have no way of knowing.
                                                            We might get help with the water or power or a job one month but not the next. No idea?

                                                            It is easier to work and they say no one wants to work and that is true to but when benefits get cut suddenly there are a ton of people who want to work until the benefits or unemployment get turned back on again. So you have no idea what they will do. If you make $ off sales commission that's great but then you should have a husband or someone who has a but more pay and a bit more stable. Although regardless of politics the holidays are still pretty pumped

                                                                Megan

                                                                of course, I have suggested to @Christine several times to work or to further her education, but she does not seem to have access to either at the moment, so I asked for state help, which I am not a fan of either.

                                                                  Angelina then you would at least have some money and be free of the belt, but of course you would then have to follow their conditions

                                                                  It's a different kind of money.

                                                                  Megan Although @Christine have you found anything you can do for work?

                                                                  Yes, I have.

                                                                  Megan That won't pay enough to live but it can get you something to feel good getting out of the house???

                                                                  Correct. But the housing market becomes better.

                                                                  Angelina she said it is possible to get this support.

                                                                  It's possible, but it's not like in EU.

                                                                            Christine Yes, I have.

                                                                            so you have a new job? that sounds great, i hope you will soon have enough money to live alone and without a belt 😃

                                                                                Angelina so you have a new job? that sounds great

                                                                                Yes, for a long time. The job market is great now.

                                                                                Angelina i hope you will soon have enough money to live alone

                                                                                I hope too. Thanks Joe Biden for affordable housing.

                                                                                      Christine Yes, for a long time. The job market is great now.

                                                                                      Christine I hope too. Thanks Joe Biden for affordable housing.

                                                                                      wow, that sounds really great, that's the best news from you in a long time (i think since you joined the forum). good luck further on 😃

                                                                                            Angelina wow, that sounds really great, that's the best news from you in a long time

                                                                                            Thank you. I hope so too.