Single again chastity

Laura

Ines I know it is going to look like Laura hacked into my account

Or your uncles 😂

Christine

Yolanda If they know about your situation I don't know how they allow her not to have to wear one.

Something worse. She told them as an achievement and no, nobody suggested one for her. Coz she has more credibility than me.

Angelina if yes, then ask that person for help, break the belt and that's it

Why would they help me since they support her decision?

Angelina

Ines

Well, I'm just talking about what I would do. Christine is dependent and apparently can't get out of it at the moment, but she wants to get out of the belt. the conclusion for me would be to look for someone who supports her financially (and also in other areas) but does not ask for the belt in return

Christine Why would they help me since they support her decision?

who exactly are you talking about? Do these people know that your mother makes you wear a belt?

Owl

Christine Something worse. She told them as an achievement

Now that's interesting. Sure, I am rather naive here -- I don't know those relatives and their motivations -- but if your mother actually praised your belting as an achievement when talking to them, this sounds to me as a pretty logical starting point for the "Good for one single, good for all single"-argumentation. (Which should help her understand, what she actually demands, as a next step.)

I see that her seemingly higher credibility might be a complication at first. I understand her counter-argument against the belt is "I'd never indulge in sexual activities so I don't need a belt." But then again, everyone can and probably will use that argument at some time. Towards oneself or others. Apparently she believes to be sort of "above" carnal desires. Yet, given the way how the primal parts of our brains work, I'd argue that she is fooling herself and those relatives.

Throughout history, people claimed to be unaffected by desire, ... And despite all those words lost lives, their dignity, kingdoms, just everything, because of those nasty neurotransmitters, neuromodulators, neuronally effective hormones, ... It's biology. And people's ignorance, overbearance, their hubris, before the fall ...

You could start get into contact with those other relatives. The people to whom she extolled the achievement. Maybe you have to go on a 1:1 basis and take some time to lobby, persistently.

Jumping in with a snotty "I should get rid of the belt!" might leave you in a bad position, no doubt. Yet arguing "She [ Christine's mother] is as single and susceptible as I [Christine] -- despite what she tells. I'd accept easier if we both wear a belt for a certain 'trial' period controlled by reliable relatives" could give you some leverage IMHO.

I agree with the others above: Even if you eventually still want to get rid of the belt, your chances of succeeding are much higher IMO, if your mother has to taste her "achievements" herself, before. I'm pretty sure, she'd change her perspective in some way after experiencing belting on her own -- and it can't really become worse as it is now, could it?

Yolanda

Christine Something worse. She told them as an achievement and no, nobody suggested one for her. Coz she has more credibility than me.

I think it's not your problem, and I don't think it's a problem of credibility, but of coherence.

Christine

Angelina who exactly are you talking about?

Who is supposed to rescue me from the belt.

Owl but if your mother actually praised your belting as an achievement when talking to them, this sounds to me as a pretty logical starting point for the "Good for one single, good for all single"-argumentation

Other single female relatives are not belted.

Yolanda I don't think it's a problem of credibility, but of coherence

Coherence? Please elaborate.

Angelina why do your relatives think what your mother is doing is good?

Coz it works as intended.

Angelina do you have any friends you could go to and who could support you to become independent again, i.e. bridge your financial problems until you can take care of yourself again?

Nobody would do it without having something back. Only a boyfriend.

Ines

Owl

Exactly, and as you say, if she is not weak towards sexuality, the because she does not want a belt that will make easier the task.

Owl

Yolanda

I think you're right. On the same hand, I'd like to add: Credibility is often maintained through coherence… Which makes me think that the position of Christine's mother is not as robust as she thinks.

Ofc, Christine will need to build more support from family members, first. Particularly among those so influential and/or so numerous that they (alone or in conjunction with others) can exert some authority on her mother. Ideally this includes persons that were both qualified and willing to serve as potential future keyholders as well.

Owl

Consequently, I'd sum up the following multi-pronged strategy that could lead to improvements on or the other way, over time:

Build more trust and support from family members informed about "belting as achievement". Ask for their help to convince your mother to accept a joint belting period. Prepare good arguments for that. Ideally this includes most of those arguments, your mother addressed towards you, but UWC will probably help you to find more. And if such a period will help you both, if was just logical, if the rest of the family helps you in this.
Independent from 1), try to somehow improve your ability to sustain yourself outside your mothers household. Ideally adding some qualification, something that could eventually lead to a source of income. Ideally one even your mother wouldn't object. (Unless she just wants you be depending ...) Sorry, if it was already discussed above.

If 1. works, It can have multiple results (multiple possible):

1a) Belting for some test period eventually gives your mother insight. It might or might not make her completely change her mind concerning your belting. But even if not, I'd expect she'll gain some more openness to reasoning over future terms.
1b) You might find develop a more positive attitude towards your own chastity. From a chastity community, this is the more "romantic" option. After the preceding events with your mother, It might take time, yet it has happened in several other cases.
1c) Plus a bit of "Tit-for-Tat"-gratification.

The benefits of 2. are obvious and probably already discussed. That tier obviously will take longer but should not hamper Tier 1,

Both together should eventually take you a few steps (maybe even more) towards a more enjoyable future.

Ines

Owl From a chastity community, this is the more "romantic" option. After the preceding events with your mother, It might take time, yet it has happened in several other cases.

😂😂
I love the way you phrase things, @Owl.
You are right, but listening to what she tells us, I think this case borders on abuse a bit.
If everything were "ideal" it is evident that @Crustine is better off with his belt, but I leave those kinds of conclusions to the eminent judge @Saintprudence and the stern trainee judge @Ines in the trials thread, where we all smile and do not harm to anyone.
The fact is that @Christine's situation is far from ideal, and it is a belt that should not exist.
And if the mother is so strict that she does not care about her daughter's will, then I really do not know why she doesnot wear one herself, because in the ideal world, she too would have hers like every woman.

Owl

Ines
Thank you. Though I might need to work on that feeling of "post-posting-guilt" 😊 , which tends to arise after noticing I buried a thread under a wall of text ⛰️ again. ;-)

Concerning Christine's situation, I agree. It is far from ideal.

And I say that despite the general argument, that became sort of a motto of the forum: Consequent belting indirectly promotes to keep relationships vivid. This depends on the prospect if returning to single state would inevitably mean chastity (again) as well: If there is no allurement to indulge in the alleged or actual liberties of "single-sex life", breaking up holds no carnal incentive. Consequently the genuine reason of breaking up / divorce would only be to end an already failed relationship, which is legitimate in many cultures.

Getting back to Christine's situation, however: When I read reports about how her mother allegedly behaves and Christine's struggles with that, I still feel sort of sad. As it is now, I have difficulties as well, to see whether it's in Christine's interest, at the end. Rather it gives me a resonance of "this is not how it's supposed to be".

This and the conflict of wishing to improve the situation but a very limited ability to do so.

Laura

Ines You are right, but listening to what she tells us, I think this case borders on abuse a bit.

Probably we don't see the whole picture since her relatives approve it

Angelina

Laura Probably we don't see the whole picture since her relatives approve it

then i would pass the question on to @Christine, why do your relatives think what your mother is doing is good? another question, do you have any friends you could go to and who could support you to become independent again, i.e. bridge your financial problems until you can take care of yourself again?

Angelina

Christine Nobody would do it without having something back.

yes, but in friendship it's a give and take. i helped my best friend yesterday and she will help me if i ask her, that's what friends are for, even if they don't know yet if they will get something back from you. so again the question, is there anyone besides your mother you can live with until you recover financially?

Christine

Angelina is there anyone besides your mother you can live with until you recover financially?

It's possible, but not for a long time.

Angelina

Christine It's possible, but not for a long time.

are there no authorities in your country that could support you financially or get you a job. or at least pay you a share if you were to live with friends?

Christine

Angelina are there no authorities in your country that could support you financially

Plenty of them, but I'm not ready to fall so low. The situation is not so bad yet.

Angelina

Christine Plenty of them, but I'm not ready to fall so low. The situation is not so bad yet.

so you see it as more humiliating than being locked up in a chastity belt by your mother?

Christine

Angelina so you see it as more humiliating than being locked up in a chastity belt by your mother?

Ofc, it would make more troubles than a chastity belt.

Angelina

Christine Ofc, it would make more troubles than a chastity belt.

i see it a little differently, then you would at least have some money and be free of the belt, but of course you would then have to follow their conditions.

Megan

Angelina i see it a little differently, then you would at least have some money and be free of the belt, but of course you would then have to follow their conditions.

The :flag_🇺🇸a is different from other countries even if they say it's the richest (or at least has the most bombs and guns) the smart rich don't pay taxes and so no one knows where the taxes go so if people need something they have to sort of get in line and fight and they never know what they will get until afterwards. Like medical bills, somebody got a stomach worm and just had to get some medicine and it turned out to be a $1MM bill you only know how much the state will pay afterwards after you get in line for years to fight with them.

Although @Christine have you found anything you can do for work? That won't pay enough to live but it can get you something to feel good getting out of the house??? 🤷

Christine

Angelina then you would at least have some money and be free of the belt, but of course you would then have to follow their conditions

It's a different kind of money.

Megan Although @Christine have you found anything you can do for work?

Yes, I have.

Megan That won't pay enough to live but it can get you something to feel good getting out of the house???

Correct. But the housing market becomes better.

Angelina she said it is possible to get this support.

It's possible, but it's not like in EU.

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