Saintprudence And I’m sure she’d prefer to see you kept secure yourself.

Yes, she would. As usual.

Saintprudence but it’s still not permitted while she’s belted

But permitted while she is not.

Jonas Then do a mutual key exchange

Mutual keyholding wouldn't work.

curious that @Christine only wants to enforce no sex while her mother did not allow any masturbation either and kept her in complete chastity

Right.

Angelina if @Christine would agree to wear the belt again for reasons of fairness

No such reason for me.

Renita Does she still require it?

Yes.

                Renita I’m having a hard time imagining Christine ordering a belt to place around her own waist after all that time stuck in her mother’s belt and trying to get free!

                  curious

                  or both wear the belt "only" to prevent sex. just because the mother set the rules first, it doesn't mean that both couldn't also live by @Christine's rules. 😉

                  Christine Mutual keyholding wouldn't work.

                  may i ask why it would not work?

                        Angelina Based on Christine's experiences here (out of the belt, clearly uninterested in going back in, all of us bugging her about it anyway), I hope you're ready for about six months of messages along the lines of "so when do you belt back up?" once your marriage is complete 🙂.

                            Christine, I just spent the whole evening to read your and your mother’s story. So it took you three years to reverse the roles with your mother belted and you’re not. That’s an achievement, congratulations!

                              Renita She could order her own

                              Order a belt for myself? it defeats the whole idea.

                              Angelina may i ask why it would not work?

                              @Saintprudence explained below, coz I don't want her to hold my keys.

                              Mithras So it took you three years to reverse the roles with your mother belted and you’re not. That’s an achievement, congratulations!

                              Thank you. And I'm glad I was able to make such progress in my life.

                                      Christine explained below, coz I don't want her to hold my keys.

                                      Do I understand that right: you’re not absolutely against wearing a chastitybelt, but mostly don’t want your mother as keyholder?
                                      And don’t kill me now, but I think it would only be fair if you also wore a belt. After all, one main argument from you (and the crowd in this forum!) was that she should adhere to the same rules as you. Now she is denied pleasure by the belt but you are not, and you don’t follow the same rules as your mother.
                                      Maybe you need to find a trustworthy keyholder for both your keys? Maybe the Saintprudence-Goody-way?

                                          Mithras
                                          This forum so riddled with double standards (I. e. girls must not masturbate, boys should) and pretense egalitarian ideas (as if there was no difference in the situation between a mature mother in the middle of her life and a daughter keen to explore her sexuality, a phase the mother has long left behind, yet the forum cries out for both to be belted under the same rules, yet again never talking about the (maybe existing male siblings or the father), one more such occurrence really does not matter.

                                              curious This forum so riddled with double standards.....

                                              Actually I wouldn´t call it double standards but different philosophies. The first crowd believes in same rights (or better non-rights) for everywoman, the second makes differences between mother and daughter and sons and a third group thinks that it all depends on the individual situation.
                                              If I where a middle aged husband with a lovely wife and a teenager curious about life, I would belong to the first group. If I had the feeling that my daughter starts to look for sex and masturbation, I would have ordered belts for both my wife and my kid. Both would enjoy the same rules (except the marital ones of course!!), the same weekly maintanance with paddle and 10-15 minutes cornertime and the same punishments with a cane and long cornertime, if one of them did something wrong. But I wouldn´t punish both if only one did wrong, this is not fair in my opinion. (Forth group!)

                                                  Mithras Actually I wouldn´t call it double standards but different philosophies.

                                                  Well, he is right, evidently it is a double standard, or as you say a different philosophy.
                                                  As for sexuality, in many of our families, female sexuality is given much more importance than male sexuality.
                                                  It is not that boys "should" masturbate, it is just something that is difficult to control, and it is not really important enough to take other measures.
                                                  Regarding the use of the chastity belt, here I see a misconception: the term punishment is used, and it is not at all, or not for all. For a woman, for me, my mother, my sisters, wearing a belt is a source of pride and satisfaction, not punishment. Mothers wear it because they are women, like daughters, there is not much difference... except in the conjugal relationship, (which is already a huge difference), but anything less than that is not justified.

                                                      Ines Regarding the use of the chastity belt, here I see a misconception: the term punishment is used, and it is not at all, or not for all. For a woman, for me, my mother, my sisters, wearing a belt is a source of pride and satisfaction, not punishment.

                                                      Maybe there is a misunderstanding. I didn´t mean that the belt with all it´s possible addons is punishment, and I don´t see regular maintance as punishment, but more as a reminder to behave according to the rules.
                                                      Lets talk numbers: for me a maintanance would be 10-15 swats with a paddle and maybe 15 minutes cornertime afterwards. A punishment would involve the cane and a badly bruised behind plus a lot of tears during the punishment. And 30 minutes cornertime, kneeling with hands above the head.

                                                          Mithras

                                                          No, not you, even if I against all forms of beating, but @curious talked about chastity belts, and I disagree in that point.

                                                            Mithras
                                                            And I would call your 'maintenance' physical abuse.
                                                            How would you like it if I just backhanded you across the face once a week, just to remind you that you better behave well when talking to me?
                                                            You would either start a fight or call the cops on me, but I would not believe for one second that you would accept that kind of treatment when you are on the receiving end.

                                                                Mithras I would have ordered belts for both my wife and my kid. Both would enjoy the same rules (except the marital ones of course!!), the same weekly maintanance with paddle and 10-15 minutes cornertime and the same punishments with a cane and long cornertime, if one of them did something wrong.

                                                                Don't you have the impression that what you write is extending your own sexual fascinations to your (hypothetical) kids? What educational value would maintenance spanking (which is a typical BDSM practice) have for a kid?

                                                                  Mithras Too much kinks to me. You even include your daughter. Yuk!

                                                                    Mithras If you meant it in "normal" (not BDSM) way it is absolutelly terrible! This is case for police and psychiatrich care about you.

                                                                      Mithras If I where a middle aged husband with a lovely wife and a teenager curious about life

                                                                      Mithras the same weekly maintanance with paddle

                                                                      Mithras I don´t see regular maintance as punishment, but more as a reminder to behave according to the rules.

                                                                      And any man who unilaterally imposes such rules is an abuser. As part of a consensual D/s relationship, sure, but we are definitely talking enthusiastic consent here. Anything else is not discipline, it is domestic violence, and it reeks of "putting the broad in her place".

                                                                      And with a daughter involved, the dependency relationship pretty much rules out any way of determining if consent is truly enthusiastic and given freely. So no... maintenance discipline on a daughter is just a big no-no.

                                                                      And while I would equally vehemently disagree with forced (i.e. non-consensual, not merely enforced) chastity or corporal punishment in all but the most extreme circumstances, I can at least sort of see how those could be justified under a somewhat different value system as averting a greater evil. On the other hand, any value system where there are evils greater than such forms of discipline that this discipline defends from is so alien to me that I do not dare entertain the thought of such a thing being in any way acceptable.