HHelen You mean a guy would prefer his left hand than his girlfriend?

I'm saying men are increasingly choosing the endless, excessive, infinite variety of porn in preference to real world relations.

You're right to suggest that this is a reductive process, but it's probably equally focused on the guy's right hand - if that's the one that operates the computer mouse! 🖱️ 😀

      Jonas

      i think those thoughts are bad, i think it's bad that some men have to take refuge in pronos, that shouldn't be the case for anyone, i think there is a suitable partner for everyone and everyone deserves their own happiness 🙂

          Angelina i think it's bad that some men have to take refuge in pronos

          Yep, absolutely. Like all addictions porn reduces people to mindless automata, endlessly repeating the same (self and life destructive) behaviours over and over again. I think the trick is to work out how to help such people and to support them as they try to help themselves.

          Angelina i think there is a suitable partner for everyone and everyone deserves their own happiness

          That's lovely. I agree. 🙂

                Jonas . I think the trick is to work out how to help such people and to support them as they try to help themselves.

                right, and maybe even a chastity belt will help (even if that would not be my first "form of therapy"). 😉

                    Angelina When it goes too far, you have to break the feedback loop of self-pleasure somehow. 🤪

                        Jonas (shaking the lock becomes a quick way of satisfying this desire

                        Even voluntary wearers do it!😉

                        Jonas . However, once the belt is considered secure it starts to do it's job which, for me at least, is to reframe the question from a more wilful "Why should I stop masturbating?!" to "Why should I start masturbating?".

                        I think it depends on each person.

                        Angelina

                        It is pretty admitted that an ex-alcoholic can resume this addiction very quickly,even after years without drinking...

                        Megan

                        Due to thigh bands?

                        Angelina

                        But no need to solve it,as long as it is not excessive,in my opinion.

                                    Vanessa Even voluntary wearers do it!

                                    Just because I think it's right that I wear a chastity belt, doesn't mean that it doesn't drive me absolutely nuts sometimes! 😂

                                        Vanessa It is pretty admitted that an ex-alcoholic can resume this addiction very quickly,even after years without drinking...

                                        I stand by my statement, also based on experience from my circle of friends (whose parents).

                                        Vanessa But no need to solve it,as long as it is not excessive,in my opinion.

                                        As I said, it would not be my first "therapy method", rather the last resort.

                                              Vanessa It is pretty admitted that an ex-alcoholic can resume this addiction very quickly,even after years without drinking

                                              Only one drink is sufficient to be addicted and start again. An ex-alcoholic can never drink alcohol again or it starts again on the spot. I heard some alcohol in cake like Black Forest cake (Schwarzwälder Kischtorte) already trigger it.

                                                  Angelina As I said, it would not be my first "therapy method", rather the last resort.

                                                  Yet, when you find yourself at the last resort, you wonder to yourself, "why didn't I do this at the start?!" 😀

                                                      Jonas

                                                      well, i think there are much more pleasant forms and ways to control this search a little better. the belt is very restrictive and should therefore only be the last solution. 😉

                                                          Angelina As always I respect your opinion, even though I have a different view. 😃

                                                              Jonas As always I respect your opinion, even though I have a different view. 😃

                                                              it was clear to me that you have a different opinion and that is perfectly ok 😃

                                                                Jonas

                                                                Logical.

                                                                Angelina I stand by my statement, also based on experience from my circle of friends (whose parents).

                                                                They were alcoholic and have resumed drinking,after their addiction were solved,without being addicted again?

                                                                Joh

                                                                It is what I've read/heard,too.

                                                                        Vanessa They were alcoholic and have resumed drinking,after their addiction were solved,without being addicted again?

                                                                        yes, the father of a friend of mine used to be an alcoholic. he went to therapy and didn't drink for 5 years afterwards. now he sometimes drinks one or two glasses, but in a controlled way 😉

                                                                            Angelina Really interesting to read this. It would be nice to think that in the future I might have greater control and perhaps not have to wear a full belt, but I'm sure I won't ever masturbate again.

                                                                                Jonas but I'm sure I won't ever masturbate again.

                                                                                never say never, as you can read, it can take a long time but with a lot of self control it is possible 😉

                                                                                    Angelina It all depends on whether I make a promise to my wife on the subject. If I make such a promise to her, then that's it, no going back! 🙂

                                                                                    Also, of course, my experience has changed me. I am against masturbation now. I don't think it's been good for me at all.

                                                                                        Jonas

                                                                                        well, if you have made a promise to your wife, you should of course keep it, regardless of your attitude towards masturbation. 😉