Should I become a key holder ?

Joh You can also think about whether there is a way that you two have not yet thought of that is not so burdensome. Sometimes you just have to change your perspective to get new insights.

do you have any concrete ideas? otherwise i would say that the way we are currently going is a middle way. it is a middle way between remaining completely chaste and being completely free. but we have limited it for the time being in order to talk again, but it may also be that we keep this way.

Vanessa Don't you think she would feel more guilty,and it would hurt you a bit more,in this case(as you say it was the case for you both when she masturbated at your home,while you have to wait outside the room)?

no, on the contrary, i would be very happy if she would talk to me about her longings beforehand. if i would give her a sealed letter, there would only be two possibilities. either the letter would stay closed or she would open the letter. the box would create a contact between us before she would decide.

Vanessa .Being very clear on your agreement when starting would be helpful,yes.

that is why we need the contract

Vanessa I'm not totally sure it is so important to wait until marriage,

that's not the important point either, the important point is that we are in a relationship of equals and want to maintain the same status. if i didn't wear a belt, we wouldn't even be having this topic and i could delete the entire topic.

Joh For an answer I have to read the whole topic again and sort out my thoughts.

no problem, you don't have to go to all that effort we will think about it ourselves and if we think of something, we will write it here

Sara2001 I think for a start, the envelope is very easy to create and very easy to check. Of course a box is more connecting.

well, such a box would be more expensive, but that is not the main point. i am more concerned that if we are really serious, that we talk to each other before camryn makes the decision for or against the keys.

PS: short update, due to a holiday day camryn is with me since yesterday, we are trying to make 4 days until sunday afternoon. so far it works, i hope it stays that way

Vanessa Do you think it could damage your relationship,otherwise?

no i don't think so, but it would be camryn's first time having sex and i don't want her to regret it at some point because she feels selfish. i want it to be a complete pleasure and the best way to do that is for both of us to share the experience.

Vanessa Good opportunity to expand a bit the duration,and know how she manage it.

she did very well for the first 48 hours

Short update

4 days with chastity belt are now over and Camryn is back at home and free

She has survived the four days relatively well, even though it was hard for her last night because she was clearly aroused. Not a nice feeling for both of us because it's a bit difficult to react to it. I know exactly what the solution to the problem would be (the keys), but of course I'm not allowed to give them to her (that's also in the contract). I turned on my mobile phone and played an online quiz with Camryn to distract her. This worked well, after 30 minutes she was more relaxed and we could go back to sleep. Now we'll see how it develops over the next few weeks, but at the moment we're generally happy with the way things are now

Vanessa The main test would be 2 to 3 weeks alone with your girlfriend,without taking her belt off except for showering...

of course, but at the moment camryn is still at school, in the summer holidays we will be together for 3 weeks, then it will be decided how it will go on after that.

Sara2001 Yes, and I still think a way for her to try it during the week would make her decision even easier. I think a closed envelope could still help a lot, because it's very easy to use, she has full control in case of emergency or in case she want to stop this, she could experience the feeling of wearing it without being under your control, she could feel how it is to do it for herself with a choice and of course she could show you how much she is into it, when she gives you the closed envelope back after a week at home.

i am still not a big fan of the envelopes, of course she can test it herself, as far as i know she is planning to do it this weekend. she will lock herself in the belt 24 hours before she is with me and then give me the keys. but the problem remains the same with the envelopes, either she opens the envelope or the envelope stays closed. there is no communication and communication is very important. i don't care if the envelope is open or closed at the end of the week, but i want to know what she feels, why she wants the keys and if i can convince her not to take the keys.

Joh Not if you have an agreement that she will first talk with you.

that's right and i think camryn would also talk to me first, i don't know yet. we'll wait and see how it develops until mid august.

Vanessa You would decide it right after trying for 2 to 3 weeks or wait a bit after?Some time to think about how it was for her would be useful...

now our contract runs until mid august, then camryn starts school again and i start my studies shortly after. it would be good to clarify beforehand how we want to continue.

Vanessa Not a bad idea,to extend a bit the duration this way.

that's right and almost everyone can keep themselves under control for 24 hours

Vanessa I meant,would you have a few days/weeks to think about it between the end of your trying during 2 to 3 weeks and the decision about continuing it or not?

we are thinking about it now, as soon as the contract ends we will decide how to proceed, that is why we created this "light contract".

Vanessa I agree,otherwise it would be similar to excessive masturbation.

it's getting exciting, camryn sent me a picture this morning of her locking herself in. her goal is to hold out until friday and then give me the keys for the weekend, so 5 days in total.