hornyaspie2 Why you saying that you not deserve for gratification, I know that in some cultures they cutting girl clit and think it's very inhuman and vile and the same goes for albeit with lesser extent to classical male circumcision.

I don't say that I deserve something or not. I wanted to say that there is nothing bad about the Idea of focusing on your partners pleasure to make the partner happy, no matter if you get something in return. Of course this must not be an all time one way street, but it is not necessarily equal.

Angelina
And what happened that yours father forced you to wear belt?
I tried to find old you post to better understand you, but it's to many posts to dig it out.
How all this started?

    hornyaspie2 And what happened that yours father forced you to wear belt?
    I tried to find old you post to better understand you, but it's to many posts to dig it out.
    How all this started?

    i answered you about this in another thread, in short i got caught masturbating. if you search relatively at the beginning of the intruduction topic you will see how it all started 🙂

      Angelina
      And why you dad not like it ?
      I thought it was something more than that 😏
      Are you dad are some very religious or so?

        Ines

        I only like to differentiate a bit reason for wearing,easier with a name fitting the situation!😉

        I feel the ones who accept to wear it in exchange for something(more freedom,a car,etc...)is not totally willingly,but not totally reluctantly,too.

        Sara2001 I don't wanted to sound aggressive, maybe that's the German way of thinking and writing, others often feel it is aggressive. I often have the same feeling when native Spanish people (not especially Ines) write in English. I think it would be good for the whole community when we keep in mind that English is not the first language for many of us

        I'm not used well in german(and not much more in spanish),so I may feel it more aggressive than it was,yes.But,if you noticed it,you should take care to make clearer it was not aggressive,especially during an argument.

        Sara2001 Of course not, but if I follow her arguments saying that there can't be a real person who is "forced" by parents with pressure or whatever and is not running away or calling the authorities, she would be a troll based on this definition, like you and me.

        It is more a general statement,and each case is different,after knowing a bit more the poster.I'm too very careful about new users,always trying to guess if it is a potential troll or not(and,generally we can guess it better after some talks).

        Sara2001 I agree with this part of the job, but I think an important part of trolls is that they come and go fast and that they rush things a lot, like getting a belt 2 days after the order and things like that. I am very sure that not everyone who has to wear the belt unwillingly and is not trying to destroy their familiy is automatically a troll.

        No,but,as I said,we can not always know it after only one or two posts.Better be careful than letting too many trolls coming here.

        Sara2001 becoming a small minority here

        Not the case.

        Angelina Most of the trolls write a maximum of 5 posts here, in which they try to bring in the extreme as much as possible. however, they usually disappear quickly if they get bored.

        But I think it is partly too because we make them understand they're not welcomed,and several of us shows clearly we don't trust them.Or if we tell their other accounts name(some trolls made several ones,like Hanka).

        Jen

        🤣

        Right!😉

        Sara2001 I can honestly say that I am absolutely happy about my relationship with Daniel and I think it is difficult to understand for outsiders

        What can be a bit shocking for readers is to notice it is now way stricter than what was planned at first.

          Vanessa What can be a bit shocking for readers is to notice it is now way stricter than what was planned at first.

          Yes, I can understand that. I never had the plan to be that submissive, but with all the trying and bootcamps, we where able to try things. I am very happy that I had the chance to explore these things without fear and I am sometimes as surprised about my feelings as you.

            Sara2001

            I think it is easier for users here since the start,or almost,as we can notice how it evolves,and make you happy,but for someone discovering it in only a few days,it can seems very hard.

              Vanessa I think it is easier for users here since the start,or almost,as we can notice how it evolves,and make you happy,but for someone discovering it in only a few days,it can seems very hard.

              Understandable.

              Angelina i have a deep distrust towards the authorities who in my opinion are much more abusive than my father.

              Quite. I also have experience in this regard. Unfortunately.

              An for another example in a relatively well run country: [https://www.20min.ch/story/maedchen-8-schildert-wie-es-vom-vater-missbraucht-wurde-875007993947].

              And to be honest @hornyaspie2, you sound rather naive after the ongoing Covid fiasko.

                Sin You're a gay conservative Catholic from Poland with a disability? Those liberal lefties with their crazy ideals are the reason you haven't been lined up against the wall and shot.

                Enjoy your ignorance as you do absolutely have no clue about Poland.

                And by the way most normal people like conservatives do not care about gays at all.

                They just do not like their weirdness and mental health issues declared normal and then pushed into their face or anyones children.

                  Sara2001 I don't wanted to sound aggressive, maybe that's the German way of thinking and writing, others often feel it is aggressive.

                  Germans tend to be very direct and hierarchical.

                  This is why a lot of them have intercultural issues when communicating with other cultures.

                  Whereas a German just says "Nein" (no) an also German speaking Austrian will say "Schau mer mal" (let's see).

                  So if anybody uses English in German way this might cause a lot of friction.

                  So everybody please keep this in mind.

                    reactionary69 normal people like conservatives

                    Normal according to whom? Other conservatives?

                    reactionary69 They just do not like their weirdness and mental health issues declared normal...

                    Enjoy your ignorance you say? Hmmm.

                      reactionary69 They just do not like their weirdness and mental health issues declared normal and then pushed into their face or anyones children.

                      What do yo mean?

                      I'm Polish from Wroclaw, I don't look as gay, fortunley , i got argument one with my older bro, he supporter of abortion so i told that I'm gay, I just did it to piss him off, if he supports liberals he should support all 😀

                        reactionary69 So if anybody uses English in German way this might cause a lot of friction

                        Yes, in Germany Yes means yes, No means no and I don't care means I don't care and not much else 🙂 At least in the northern part. German is definitely more direct then most other languages but it's not meant rude. I often feel that polite speaking is dishonest, like if you don't want to meet next weekend just say "no" instead of "great idea, let's see if we can make it" if you already know you will not meet. 🙂

                          hornyaspie2 I'm Polish from Wroclaw, I don't look as gay, fortunley , i got argument one with my older bro, he supporter of abortion so i told that I'm gay, I just did it to piss him off, if he supports liberals he should support all 😀

                          What a crazy discussion. Gay people don't harm anyone. Why shouldn't everyone do whatever he/she likes with whomever he/she likes until they are adults or (almost) the same age and it is consensual. It's not an illness but natural and they don't "infect normal people with gayness". This is just stupid. Nobody, including kid's becomes gay from seeing or beeing with gays, not even with father and father or mother and mother.

                          Why not let anyone do, think and feel whatever he/she prefers until it doesn't harm you. If you don't like to see it, look in another direction.

                          hornyaspie2 he supporter of abortion

                          OMG! Usually I do not like such people.
                          About gays, frankly, I do not care about them, but lately they are very tiring.
                          I did not ever discriminate a gay ( and same all the people that are in my circle), but a lot of gays insist heavily in be victims.... Similar to some feminists!

                          • Joh likes this.

                          Ok, it is time to debunk some misconceptions.

                          reactionary69 Covid fiasko

                          There is no such thing as a covid fiasko unless you assume a no vax stance or a negationist stance, both of them are enough do declassify someone from person to non-person.

                          reactionary69 Enjoy your ignorance

                          Heh

                          reactionary69 And by the way most normal people like conservatives do not care about gays at all.

                          HEH

                          reactionary69 They just do not like their weirdness and mental health issues declared normal and then pushed into their face or anyones children.

                          So in the end they care and they even invented a world of consipration, uniting their irrational fears to a total ignorance about history of the world.

                          You know that since 1990 the World Health Organization took away Homosexuality from the mental illnesses list?
                          No, you do not know that or else you would have not wrote something like that.

                          reactionary69 Whereas a German just says "Nein" (no) an also German speaking Austrian will say "Schau mer mal" (let's see).

                          In Austria there exists a word called Nein and i heard it a lot during my last trip to austria.


                          So basically you are a conservative with zero culture about the things you like to have an opinion about and still you dare to call ignorant others in a smug way none the less.
                          Time to apologize, me think, ahrrr.

                            LoonyMel
                            Mel, in the point where he says that conservative do not care about gays, it is true.
                            That point does not have any importance for us.
                            That does not make you better or worse person.

                            hornyaspie2 And why you dad not like it ?

                            because he thinks it distracts me from more important things.

                            Vanessa But I think it is partly too because we make them understand they're not welcomed,and several of us shows clearly we don't trust them.Or if we tell their other accounts name(some trolls made several ones,like Hanka).

                            that's true, but i have used a different tactic so far. if i thought someone was a troll, i ignore him/her, which saves a lot of time and nerves. 🙂

                            Vanessa I think it is easier for users here since the start,or almost,as we can notice how it evolves,and make you happy,but for someone discovering it in only a few days,it can seems very hard.

                            I think so too, sometimes it is important to experience the development of some users in order to understand their decisions.

                            reactionary69

                            shake your head, just shake your head
                            the incompetence of many authorities (apparently not only in germany) is unbelievable. 🙁

                            reactionary69 So everybody please keep this in mind.

                            Nein 😉

                            Sara2001 like if you don't want to meet next weekend just say "no" instead of "great idea, let's see if we can make it" if you already know you will not meet. 🙂

                            right, when it comes to organising my schedule i also prefer to have clear instructions 🙂