[Edited / Update: Didn't realize Thomas had already answered, when I wrote the post at hand.]

Maybe the term referred to differences in the sense of having differences among themselves, like problems to express themselves truly or difficulties to get along when people of more or less apparent "neurotypes" (or divergence, as Thomas put it) are involved?

Yet, I don't want to answer instead of Thomas. I only want to confirm a personal impression, that there is an interplay between individual people and this (sometimes strange and hard to get) "society" and their respective influences. Unfortunately and still far too often, im my opinion, that societal influence puts a lot of pressure on the individual - instead of encouraging to learn about each others perceptions and needs, first.

Now I'm definitely not saying that societies should tolerate every individual oddity. For from it. Yet it is far more easier to find dealings to get along with each other, when you learn the real background why someone acts and reacts their way. (And often, one has to find out for oneself as well, first. Besides, that certain foundations in our brains will probably stay hidden or at least unconscious forever… To weal or woe.)

It's a tragedy that IMHO many many people (including myself) -- perhaps because of that general "mood of pressure", feelings of being out of time, having to accomplish too many tasks whose necessity is sometimes completely questionable in too less time etc. or even fighting for bare existence -- feel even less compassionate, even less able to investigate those feelings (incl. our own), less able to learn about each other, and deal with our respective characteristics, ask for specific steps that might make our living together easier and so on.

It takes effort, sometimes seems like a waste of time to get really in touch with one another. And sometimes our affected minds just don't make it. It would be so valuable, still.

Thomas

Our answers crossed (didn't notice you already posted, while typing).

    Thomas

    Yet, my assumption that it's two sides of the same coin, was not too wrong, apparently.

      4 months later

      I'm on the neurodiverse spectrum, diagnosed ASD and may possibly be diagnosed for ADHD spectrum in the future because it would explains other issues I have that aren't necessarily ASD related (e.g. handwriting) but I do have other tendancies like mild OCD.

      Thomas Vaccinated kids are 3 times more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD... it doesn't cause it just makes the symptoms worse.

      I'm pretty sure that's just generalisation, many factors could take into play and one of the suggested hypothesis is the age in which birth is given - as like human DNA reproduction inevitably resulting in DNA strand trimming and potentially causing problems such as cancer late in life, reproductive systems have an expiry date of sorts.

      People around me knew what ADHD/ASD were but only after the internet popularised/dramatised the terms. It's supposed to be the teacher's job apparently to highlight key problems in child development, and clearly in my case, the traits were there but nobody knew about neurodiversity, it's kinda like how 20 years ago almost nobody outside closely nit circles cared about LBGT rights. ASD was alternatively called asperger's, named after a nazi scientist.

      Unfortunately, much of the world's knowledge comes from atrocities and was only popularised after internet became more mainstream, and even still until I got diagnosed, my parents through ASD = retardation (low IQ) with mild specialisation. Which in a way, isn't too far off the more accepted definition in that ASD means lower ability in socialising, but is otherwise often compensated by higher ability in other areas, which is why to some I sound like a genius online but in actuality i'm outcasted and a bit of a blunt "dickhead" when it comes to real life interactions.

      It's a shame I got diagnosed way too late for development intervention to be a viable option, my career and life has already been royally fked, so I just gotta live with what I can without the social support of networks.

      But really it's quite a psychological problem for me because I "Think too much, but don't do enough"; and in some ways I also "Work harder, but not smarter"

          zbovka Thanks for sharing. Being diagnosed as an adult is hard and it is harder to change the way you work or think as you get older and the support for adults is not even close to what is there for kids sadly.

          The comment about 3 times increase in ASD and ADHD in vaccinated kids came from one of the only studies which included unvaccinated kids. There are very very few kids who have never been vaccinated and so the study was a very good comparison of the effects of vaccination. They included respiratory issues, delayed learning etc in and they were all increased in the vaccinated group. It doesn't cause ADHD or ASD but it can bring it out if there are genetic susceptibility. There are a significant number of kids who developed ASD symptoms after vaccination who after chelation therapy became "normal".

              zbovka It's a shame I got diagnosed way too late for development intervention to be a viable option, my career and life has already been royally fked, so I just gotta live with what I can without the social support of networks.

              You have a life and career, if you try you can have a support network too

                kat_anders We know of several personally and those in the anti-vaxx movement have given many reports over the years which I have seen (most were only anti-vaxx after their kids had major reactions to the vaccines). Also it is commonly known in alternative medicine circles, when they get vaccine injured the standard medicine can do nothing for them and they turn to naturopaths to get help.

                    Thomas

                    so most of the children i know have already had many vaccinations as bybies, me too. i could only imagine that they were of poor quality or that the doctor made a mistake. a doctor should examine the person to see if there are any incompatibilities.

                        Angelina When you know families who have never vaccinated, you notice that their kids never get sick compared to regularly vaccinated families where the kids "normal" is to be constantly be dealing with colds or this or that health issue. One of the main side effects of vaccines seems to be in a weakened immune system, but seeing most people vaccinate fully there are very few people that the average person can compare against. Doctors have no idea about the safety of vaccines, they just say what they have been told. It is always good for people to do their own research about ingredients and possible side effects of vaccines and not believe what the CDC and NIH who are vaccine patent holders. There are enough doctors out there who do not agree so anyone can get an alternative medical view if they want. I suggest that they do that. I wish my parents had done that.

                            Thomas

                            Diseases are eradicated by vaccines. End.
                            If people do not get sick If people do not get sick with typhus, tuberculosis, some hepatitis, measles or smallpox, it is only thanks to vaccinations.
                            What are there interests in vaccines? Of course.
                            That humanity is indebted to them? Also.

                            I remind you that there is no other way to fight viruses.

                            And end of this discussion.

                              Philip I am sorry you don't think that what I am expressing concerning my experience is valid and may harm children. I know no one who has died or come to harm from getting a childhood illness who was unvaccinated, but I know people who have had friends die while they nearly died from a "hot" batch of vaccine. I know kids who got Autism immediately after being vaccinated or had speech delays immediately afterwards. I know people who have been crippled immediately after having childhood vaccines also.

                              These are my experiences among my friends and family, so I am sorry that this is not valid to you. This is not even getting into the covid vaccines where friends and family are having cancer return, getting life threatening blood clots, a lung filling up with blood and several heart problems immediately after getting one of the covid shots. Even the creator of MRNa vaccines nearly died after getting the covid jab and now is telling everyone it is a poor use of his technology and to not get any more.

                              This may have strayed away from the topic but the discussion about ADHD and ASD and how vaccines have affected people with severity and evidence of symptoms was asked and it was appropriate that I answer it. There is plenty of information out there for people to do their own research and make up their own minds I am only suggesting people do that if they are concerned.

                              There are several people on this thread who have shared their experiences with ADHD or ASD and that is awesome, This is my experience with ADHD and ASD. It is a pity if I am shown intolerance for my different experience.

                              If I am deleted then that is sad but I still stand by my comments because they are what I have seen and experienced.

                                  cantsolvethecaptcha Thank you for validating my personal experience, I hope that others respect you and treat your experiences with the same respect that you show me...

                                    Philip I could argue vaccines, evidence and what many very excellent doctors say about them, but as you have already pointed out, we are getting off topic and so I will not continue to discuss the issue of vaccines out of respect for the focus of this forum. I am sure that you will do the same. I am sure that people who really want to know will do their own research through credible groups who hold both sides of this scientific topic. At the core of science is looking at competing theories or perspectives, verifying the data and determining which aligns with the data the best..

                                    I do appreciate that you have care for the welfare of people, I assure you that I do too.