Ines However strict genre segregation in those civilizations, make a huge difference too.

I completely agree with you here. I've been pretty open about my own experiences, not wearing sexy clothes, not going to bars, showering in a place where others are present, taking cold showers when needed. One has to make some adjustments. The Muslims make adjustments, as you point out, and it seems that many succeed. And it has been tried in the US with the Mormons and Brigham Young University and the Baptists and Liberty University without such strict gender separation. So I just object when someone like @curious says some girl he doesn't even know must wear a belt even if she's a Muslim.

      Avery Back, well way back before the modern stainless steel belts and before the pill for birth control and even condoms were hard to come by. They were kept behind the counter and you had to ask for them. With that difficulty young people were less inclined to have PiV sex. They did pet and play and have hand jobs, etc. but rarely sex.
      The girls mothers were very protective. If the girl were going out, first she would have to put on her tight panty girdle. Then over that 6 or 7 layers of full stiff petticoats. This provided a pretty good barrier and at least gave some time to think more clearly. And can you imagine getting through that in the back seat of a sedan?

      Sorry. Could not resist some history,

          bdsamm They did pet and play and have hand jobs, etc. but rarely sex.

          That still goes on. Keeps everybody happy.

          bdsamm Then over that 6 or 7 layers of full stiff petticoats.

          I believe the girdles. But the petticoats? In your lifetime? Sounds positively Elizabethan. Elizabeth the first, I mean.

                Avery They were very popular in the 50's. That is what most of the girls wore in high school and to dances and parties. Also this was the time of the "bullet" bra. Not a chastity item but an extreme fashion. All the women wore them.

                    Avery So I just object when someone like @curious says some girl he doesn't even know must wear a belt even if she's a Muslim.

                    I am not saying she must.

                    If Amira is OK with your way of handling things, where she just tries her best but if she fails her goals, she just continues, then she can take your approach as example. But if even one failure to follow her rules is completely unacceptable to her and that is her priority, what is wrong with going for strict 24/7 wearing?
                    First you define your goals. Then you look at how to achieve these goals and what sacrifices you are prepared to make for reaching these goals.
                    If Amira decides for herself that in order to ensure her hymen is guaranteed intact she is prepared to live 24/7 in thigh bands and the benefits outweigh the restrictions in her very personal weighing of things, we should accept her priorities rather than telling her to follow someone else's values instead of her own.

                        bdsamm All the women wore them.

                        God help us. Or maybe it's just the pictures Google chooses.

                          curious what is wrong with going for strict 24/7 wearing?

                          It's an enormous inconvenience, night and day, and makes her even more different than she already is, a Muslim girl living in Europe.

                          curious If Amira decides for herself that in order to ensure her hymen is guaranteed intact she is prepared to live 24/7 in thigh bands

                          Explain that to all of us. Why she needs thigh bands to keep her hymen intact. You do not understand what you are talking about. Not even the basics.

                          curious we should accept her priorities rather than telling her to follow someone else's values instead of her own.

                          I made a suggestion that she try something different from the party line here that she must be in hardware. I only asked her to try one day a week doing it like the women in her home country do it.

                                  Avery Explain that to all of us. Why she needs thigh bands to keep her hymen intact. You do not understand what you are talking about. Not even the basics.

                                  Agree.

                                    Avery
                                    Let me use a comparison:
                                    In your world, failure to follow through with your goal of chastity would be the equivalent of catching influenza. Not nice but not the worst there is in life. Hence the level of protection you chose to get is trying to find a balance between the discomfort from that protection and the risk posed by influenza.
                                    In Amira's world, failure is more comparable to catching Ebola. Not surprisingly, she is therefore opting for a much higher level of protection even though that protection is comes with a lot of discomfort.
                                    And saying that level of protection is not necessary and encouraging to follow your example is not helping her. Neither is arguing that in predominantly Muslim countries most girls do not wear belts. That may be true, but given how society is organised in these countries, the risk is far lower there.

                                        curious Not surprisingly, she is therefore opting for a much higher level of protection even though that protection is comes with a lot of discomfort.

                                        She is not opting for anything. When her mother married her stepfather he insisted that she start wearing a belt.

                                        curious In Amira's world, failure is more comparable to catching Ebola.

                                        And why do you think she is going to fail? She is old enough to keep Ramadan. If she can go from sunrise to sunset for a whole month with nothing to eat or drink, not even a sip of water, I think she can go one day a week without touching herself. I can even do that and there's no way I could keep Ramadan for even a day. Or even 'til lunch time.

                                        We are still waiting for you to tell us all why she needs thigh bands to protect her hymen. Good luck with that.

                                              Avery
                                              If I remember correctly, she herself decided that she wants to avoid exercises or movements that could pote tially damage the hymen and talked with her mother about volunteering for thigh bands.
                                              Personally I do not care whether or not it is damaged, but if it is of such importance to her, then it is not for you or me to argue that this is wrong.

                                              • Ines replied to this.

                                                  curious

                                                  curious Personally I do not care whether or not it is damaged, but if it is of such importance to her, then it is not for you or me to argue that this is wrong.

                                                  This is a forum, so if @Amira writes something in the forum, it is logical that the rest of the users give her opinion, especially if it is well-founded and informed.

                                                  There are several occasions in which you have incurred the same behavior, also with me.

                                                  If @Amira did not want to talk about it, or did not want feedback, she would not write here. From now on, I would suggest that you continue to enjoy the forum, giving your opinion, contributing or even discussing, but do not try to prevent someone else from doing the same.

                                                      curious In your world, failure to follow through with your goal of chastity would be the equivalent of catching influenza

                                                      curious In Amira's world, failure is more comparable to catching Ebola.

                                                      a good comparison, i see it similarly. for @Amira this is an important goal to stay chaste, so she should do what she thinks is necessary to achieve this goal. I don't think thighbands protect the hymen because @Amira doesn't wear them 24/7 for practical reasons, but I think she knows what she's doing.

                                                      PS: i don't think it has anything to do with whether she is muslim or not, she seems to behave very western, besides there are enough examples of christian girls here. we should stop linking this to religion

                                                            Angelina i don't think it has anything to do with whether she is muslim or not, she seems to behave very western, besides there are enough examples of christian girls here. we should stop linking this to religion

                                                            I don't think so. Nowhere has she said she wants to reject her religion and her heritage. She says "I will give my parents the present of being pure and chaste until next Christmas". That's a Muslim thought, it's a gift. Since she came to the west what has happened to her? Her new (step-)father has locked her into a belt just as your father did to you.

                                                                Natalia hmm, the smiley tells me you like it
                                                                I'm Max by the way. Freut mich dich kennen zu lernen (Nice to meet you)

                                                                    Max9 Nice to meet you too, nice to meet all here too 🙂

                                                                    The main language is englis but hope an short german answer would be ok? Schön alle hier kennen zu lernen! Ich nutze übersetzer um englich zu schreiben, wenigst teils. deutsch ist einfacher aber fairer ist englisch!

                                                                    The translation: nice to meet all here. I use sometimes translater to write in english is mor easy for me. But more fair is english!

                                                                    You are right at moment i like it! You could read them also too in my own post here 😉

                                                                        Natalia I think the red silicone which you chose looks very nice. We also have some girls here with the same choice of configuration 🙂

                                                                          @Natalia @Max9

                                                                          You showed you are well mannered people.
                                                                          Obviously you can use small sentences, and specially if you write the translation.
                                                                          I only "scold" when people makes entire posts in German... or Chinese... 🤭

                                                                          Avery also the consequences for those women are very severe if they are thought or suspected of “immoral” behaviour. I don’t think the 2 can be compared.