Saintprudence unfortunately for me, the Catholic rulebook — canon law, that is, not the Bible — is extremely clear on masturbation, and I read the rule book and believed it when I was young. Masturbation is still officially considered to be a “gravely disordered” mortal sin by the church. They don’t emphasize it as much, but it’s there.

I understand where you're coming from. But the Catholic rulebook was written by mortal men, not by God. And why should we be bound by what some group of mortal men said, even St. Paul? This is why I said above I try to think about what Jesus would have thought said and done and act accordingly.

So why should the church say masturbation is bad? So MEN can get women to marry and have sex with them. The MEN who ran and run the church wanted women to think the only valid way to have sex is to marry a man. Thus men would have a reliable and exclusive supply of women and sex. If women can masturbate and have sex out of wedlock why do they need to marry men? I DO plan to marry but I do not want to have to marry some guy so I can get myself laid.

You know I just read the little write-up you have when one hovers over your name. I did not realize you have been having serious long term difficulties with the church. I thought we were having kind of an academic discussion.

Apologize if I have said things that appear to trivialize your difficulties. Did not mean to.

    Avery it’s totally fine! I appreciate your thoughts and you are coming from a place of common sense. The logic of the church is not one that can be reconciled with secular logic, and folks shouldn’t buy into it, but some of us were stuck being raised in it. Ironically, it may be chastity that helps me rid myself of the last vestiges of the church in me!

    Saintprudence hmm. Your logic is quite sound. It stands to reason that an adult woman who can’t be trusted without a belt was not raised right.

    right, i also understand other points, but if a woman behaves like a slut after the divorce, she is also a product of her education. i don't really like the fact that the person responsible for this should have the keys.

    Renita There might be no other possible keyholders, so she is better than nobody.

    an irresponsible person should never have the keys to a chastity belt

      Angelina an irresponsible person should never have the keys to a chastity belt

      To own chastity belt?

        Renita To own chastity belt?

        ok, point for you, you can't ban anyone. but i mean taking responsibility for someone else 😉

        Saintprudence she is using them correctly

        It's not a great achievement to prevent sex using a chastity belt.

        Saintprudence Do you believe your belt is more for punishment or protection at this point?

        I believe it's more her own fetish. But she refuses to wear one herself.

          Christine I believe it's more her own fetish. But she refuses to wear one herself.

          if you think she has a fetish, you should talk to her openly about it, it is not good if she forces you to wear a belt because she claims to want to protect you, but is actually following her own fantasies.

            Christine It's not a great achievement to prevent sex using a chastity belt

            Her great achievement is that you are always in the belt.

              @Christine
              Everyone has an opinion about this subject but no body ask you more about this.
              Don't share any specifics but what were some of the things that came before you got divorced?

              My husband is great but I wonder if a woman had a malicious husband could he manipulate her in an argument by threatening to lie about her character and send her and all her keys back to her parents.... What if the fault of the divorce is on the man?

              Dear Lord that would be a living nightmare, incredibly shameful especially if he arranged a party of some crazy scheme to make her look guilty. AFAIK I am NOT at risk of a divorce anytime soon and I am very happily married.

                Renita indeed. The wearer of a belt is required to refrain from sexual activity, but the belt is neutral as to whether the wearer is obliged to like it.

                Saintprudence agreed. Ensuring virtue is one thing but using Christine as her personal trust Barbie doll is disgusting.

                Correct, even with involuntary wearers it should always be about the protection of the girl/woman.

                Megan

                I am not sure if this will help, unless @Christine is thinking about returning to her ex-husband, everything else is probably not helping at the moment. (just my opinion)

                  Angelina I am not sure if this will help, unless Christine is thinking about returning to her ex-husband, everything else is probably not helping at the moment. (just my opinion)

                  I wasn't really thinking of Christine but everyone there are many divorced women in Chastity but I don't think any of it is meant maliciously
                  Do you know anything about Marriage contracts? I didn't remember mine but I know the prenup is a little generous in my favor more of a settlement.

                    Megan there are many divorced women in Chastity

                    Do you think so? What is the motivation and who holds the keys?

                      Laura We honestly don’t know HOW many people are in reluctant chastity, since it’s often so secret. But the same people as your parents, who believe in enforcing chastity on unmarried women, would probably take a dim view of divorced women and prefer that they remain locked until they can be married off again. And you yourself well know how far they’ll go to keep women who are well into adulthood belted if that’s what it takes to retain virtue.

                        Saintprudence

                        I don't know of any cases, but you're probably right.
                        If the woman lives in the same city as her parents, it would be very positive.
                        Unfortunately, modern life does not always mesh well with good habits.

                          Saintprudence We honestly don’t know HOW many people are in reluctant chastity, since it’s often so secret

                          @Megan might know more

                          Saintprudence would probably take a dim view of divorced women and prefer that they remain locked until they can be married off again

                          But the situation is different, because she was not longer tied to her parents