Well, I never tried to pick a lock, so I don't know about security of these. Also, how would you put a seal on the HolyTrainer? The hole is already fully occupied by the insertable lock ...
When I was Jake's age, I got released only once a month if I was good. I don't live with Jake, and I don't care about his grades etc. Also, I think that once a month is enough for him.
Nate Also, how would you put a seal on the HolyTrainer? The hole is already fully occupied by the insertable lock ...
Lukas has his through the lock itself. Plenty of space to feed a wire through while the lock is shut.
Nate When I was Jake's age, I got released only once a month if I was good. I don't live with Jake, and I don't care about his grades etc. Also, I think that once a month is enough for him.
The first part of the argument still makes it sound like you do not want him to have it any easier than you had it. As for the second part, I thought you do meet up regularly for hygiene unlocks, giving him a few minutes of alone time surely is not that much extra effort.
Yeah, putting a write through the lock itself could be a solution. But that would obviously make the cage bigger and harder to maintain. Right now, I think that the lock is enough for us, and I hope it stays that way.
Well, to be really honest, since I was released once a month, it's probably my point of view that it's the optimum frequency for him too.
To the second part - what I meant is that my parents give him a release only if he's good. If I gave him a release in the middle of the month, skipping a release at the end wouldn't be anything for him. And I don't want to check his grades etc.; I really don't.
Nate If he were used to releases twice a month, having to wait a whole month would also be a punishment. Also, it would take relatively little communication between you and your parents to check whether he got a release last time - if you skip the release you grant after your parents skipped the release they granted, he would still lose out on an entire month worth of releases (assuming they are somewhat equally spaced).
I wonder, did your locked teammate (Robin, if I recall correctly) feel any relief in knowing that he is not the only locked boy?
youdontknowme Those insertable locking cylinders like found on the HolyTrainers sacrifice a lot of security for compactness; I have the name-brand version of that lock and can open it with nothing but a flat piece of metal.
Also, just to demonstrate (sorry for the blurriness, hard to do closeups with a phone camera):
https://gfycat.com/samevainairedaleterrier
No special lockpicking tool involved, that is just a cheap pair of tweezers.
I understand where are you going, but I still think releasing Jake once a month is okay, as it was for me. Also, if my math is correct, now his punishment is 2 months without release (1 month is before the denied release, and 1 month after).
Yeah, it was great to see Robin who was also going there in his cage, and he was glad too. It's always better when there are more locked people, as others don't see you as an exception to have a cage.
Nate I understand where are you going, but I still think releasing Jake once a month is okay, as it was for me. Also, if my math is correct, now his punishment is 2 months without release (1 month is before the denied release, and 1 month after).
Yeah, but you could take a different perspective, and say that the way things are now, a non-release punishment doubles his denial, and in that hypothetical, it would triple it. In either case, it would be a month longer than if he does well. And hey, you were given the discretion, so it is your choice in the end how to award them.
Nate Yeah, it was great to see Robin who was also going there in his cage, and he was glad too. It's always better when there are more locked people, as others don't see you as an exception to have a cage.
Be careful what you wish for. I am sure your teammates would not be happy if your wish for having more locked peers ended up costing them their genital freedom. Luckily for them, posting it on here is unlikely to have any effect.
I think it was while you were typing that I added the video link in my post above. If you are curious why I do not trust those insertable locks to keep anyone chaste without intrinsic motivation or supervision, feel free to take a look, I am not showing any body parts and nothing recognizable as a penis cage. The lock is a brand-name Burg-Wächter ME/2 by the way, sort of the original most of the Chinese cages are copying. Not sure where the HolyTrainer company sources their locks.
Still, I don't see your math in this. Right now, if he's punished, he remains 2 months in the cage. In the scenario you're suggesting, it's a maximum of 1,5 months (14 days before the denial at home, then 14 days before me not giving him a release, and the final 14 days before we get home again). And like I said, I know that I was given the discretion, but I don't want to be the one who gives punishments or awards to him.
Hehe, I know they wouldn't like it (at least in the beginning), but hey, wouldn't it be actually better if our whole team was locked?
Also, thanks for the video, I see this lock has a security level of a regular screw. I'll try to check if our locks are also the vulnerable ones and, if so, whether there are any safe ones. I'm not a fan of the security seals as it's still an additional thing in your underwear. I'm sure Jake would hate it.
Nate Still, I don't see your math in this. Right now, if he's punished, he remains 2 months in the cage. In the scenario you're suggesting, it's a maximum of 1,5 months (14 days before the denial at home, then 14 days before me not giving him a release, and the final 14 days before we get home again). And like I said, I know that I was given the discretion, but I don't want to be the one who gives punishments or awards to him.
I just brought up your discretion again because I do not want to say you are making the wrong choice. The choice is yours alone, in the end (as long as it does not go against the margins ser by your parents. I was merely offering some different perspectives.
You know Jake, you probably know how he responds to one or two months of denial. But someone who is usually denied for two weeks might take a month and a half of denial harder than someone used to monthly releases takes two months.
Nate Also, thanks for the video, I see this lock has a security level of a regular screw. I'll try to check if our locks are also the vulnerable ones and, if so, whether there are any safe ones.
It is slightly better than a screw. It takes some jiggling and some practice, and it is only if I get "lucky" that the tweezers open the lock as quickly as a ley does. I might also have gotten a bit unlucky with the bitting of the key, maybe a lock where the depth of the middle pin differs a lot from the outer pins would be less vulnerable.
Nate Hehe, I know they wouldn't like it (at least in the beginning), but hey, wouldn't it be actually better if our whole team was locked?
Would certainly be an interesting twist if society were more chastity-positive. Maybe going out in public without a chastity device locked on would be seen as scandalous, like wearing excessively revealing clothing is in the world we live in.
That may be true, but being denied for an additional month after spending one caged would be a bigger threat, no? Also, I think that the basic frequency of a month is enough for him as it was for me. Maybe it sounds a bit selfish, but that's how I see it.
I know how frustrated Jake is after a month or after two months locked; I'm still locked too, and parents used to skip releases as punishment for me as well. About a month is fine, and once per two months if you know milking.
Okay, I'll try the fiddle with the one spare lock we have to see if I can jiggle it open. So far, the easiest attempts failed (and I mean stupidly-easiest, as I'm not a locksmith). However, Jake is also not a locksmith, so if I can't open it, I'll consider it safe for him as well. As these locks are exclusive for chastity cages, I don't want to bring these to a professional.
Nate Okay, I'll try the fiddle with the one spare lock we have to see if I can jiggle it open. So far, the easiest attempts failed (and I mean stupidly-easiest, as I'm not a locksmith). However, Jake is also not a locksmith, so if I can't open it, I'll consider it safe for him as well. As these locks are exclusive for chastity cages, I don't want to bring these to a professional.
I do believe the bitting may play a role. Two pins of my lock are almost exactly the same size, with the third one only slightly different. But still, even a more difficult pinning would only slow down someone motivated to get out a little. Quite hard to make locks that small that hold up against a serious effort to break out.
Those locks actually did have a use before chastity belt makers started using them: They can be used to block the keyholes of those old-fashioned locks you might see on room doors or cabinets - which is also the reason the keys are so freaking long. Most reviews on big online shops tend to focus on those uses, but then you see the "other recommended items" tab and you get numbered seals and various fetish items (Amazon had adult-sized baby clothes in there), so I think it is safe to say that those devices were so exotic that even something as niche as chastity devices signigicantly increased demand for that type of lock.
youdontknowme Would certainly be an interesting twist if society were more chastity-positive. Maybe going out in public without a chastity device locked on would be seen as scandalous, like wearing excessively revealing clothing is in the world we live in.
Yes indeed, I've raised this issue on here before. No-one ever asked me whether it was okay to be attached to demanding and behaviour-altering genitalia! Sexual freedom is simply considered to be correct and normal, despite the fact that it doesn't work out well for some of us.
I agree with that, but then there's the question of what are you trying to protect and from whom. I managed to open the spare lock after about two hours of fiddling with two paperclips, so I went ahead and after a quick mail I ordered (hopefully) more secure ones from a local chastity-dedicated shop.
About their use: wait, did you just say that a lock was used to lock a ... lock 
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Jonas Yes indeed, I've raised this issue on here before. No-one ever asked me whether it was okay to be attached to demanding and behaviour-altering genitalia! Sexual freedom is simply considered to be correct and normal, despite the fact that it doesn't work out well for some of us.
That sounds dangerously close to a castration fantasy to me, and that is not a thought I would enjoy entertaining. As for considering sexual freedom normal, I think the world is better off with considering sexual autonomy a fundamental right, and consider it absolutely correct that forcing continuous chastity onto an unwilling participant is considered abusive. But just like free expression is a fundamental right in western civilization (especially for our American friends), the right is still managed by appropriateness (i.e. the classic "you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre" rule).
In our current society, the most notable instance of that are public indecency laws, but there are also places in the world with sodomy laws on the books, that restrict what two consenting adults can do with each other behind closed doors. Frankly, I think laws and customs that oppose, say, two men who love each other from sleeping with each other are a way bigger infringement on sexual autonomy than laws or customs mandating chastity devices in certain types of public places could ever be. As for the influence parental or educational authorities might have in a more chastity-oriented world, the older I get the less comfortable I feel about discussing that, but I think that done in moderation, it would not be worse than the homophobia, slut-shaming and similarly things that are sadly common experiences of contemporary youngsters.
Nate I agree with that, but then there's the question of what are you trying to protect and from whom. I managed to open the spare lock after about two hours of fiddling with two paperclips, so I went ahead and after a quick mail I ordered (hopefully) more secure ones from a local chastity-dedicated shop.
That is some dedication in probing for weaknesses. But I doubt you will find significant security upgrades in that form factor, I got a brand-name product from a reputable manufacturer and you see how that turned out. I reckon the only real difference between how easy they open is getting lucky with the pinning/bitting. Again, the depths are really darn close on mine. Pick-resistant locks will be much bulkier.
Nate About their use: wait, did you just say that a lock was used to lock a ... lock
As crazy as it sounds, yeah. This video shows the super-insecure type of door lock for which this style of lock is considered an upgrade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcPnSBi3I4
Over time, they have been repurposed to secure power switches of dangerous machinery or trailer hitches, until the HolyTrainer company decided to turn that style of lock into the new generation of chastity cage lock. Also note that HolyTrainer-style cages are one of the more secure users of those locks - a lot of cheaper metal cages do not bother with putting a cover over the lock body, Which results in this hilarious little pick job: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uEYveSssok
youdontknowme That sounds dangerously close to a castration fantasy to me, and that is not a thought I would enjoy entertaining
Er, no. And I'm not sure why you decided to try to push my views to such an extreme. I was interested in a discussion about sexual freedoms and social norms. This extreme idea is, I think, way beyond what is appropriate for this forum.
Jonas Oh, do not get me wrong, nothing wrong with your choice of an orgasm-free lifestyle, it was just the wording of that particular message that threw me off, the idea that it is not okay that you are attached to such genitalia. I know you did not mean it that way, it just sounded very wrong to my ears.
Nate do you mind me asking what it was like getting out once a month to take care of things?
I'd kill for that chance! I've tried to negotiate time out but they know precisely what for and won't agree.
I'm now told I can finally get out of this thing the day I get my final year results - assuming they're good!
I'm also surprised that you don't get much fun from the "milking", I get an orgasm-like sensation from it that is sure better than nothing.
At first, when I was locked by my parents, it felt kinda strange ... that your parents say to you something along the lines, "Now you can masturbate, I'll be back in ten minutes and re-lock you.". Of course, I soon got used to it, even for usually having only ten (and sometimes even five) minutes, and that wouldn't be the worst thing.
Going to school locked was probably more scary than actually problematic. My cage is small enough not to be visible under jeans, so the only time the cage was seen was at floorball in lockers (but only because my teammate yanked down my boxer briefs as a prank).
The most annoying thing is, a cage will prevent you from masturbating, not magically deactivate your penis. It's normal to get an erection - in the morning, most notably; and when you see a hot girl/guy (and you'll see a lot of them at school). This will, of course, be a lot more frequent, as you're always horny and subconsciously try to find sex.
About your situation, Chris, one of my floorball teammates (Robin) is also locked. His parents are way more strict, and he was released only at the end of each semester if his grades were good. He told me that he actually preferred this, as orgasming and getting back each month refreshes the orgasm sensation and horniness, and that's what drives you crazy. However, I disagree with him in that.
I may have written that I don't get much fun from milking, but that's very relative. I usually try to compare things to an actual orgasm, and therefore milking is like nothing at all. When you compare it to nothing and staying horny, it's definitely better to milk; you empty your balls and the feeling of constant horniness disappears for a while. When it comes back however, it feels (at least for me) that it's stronger than before.
youdontknowme Ah I see. I did not mean for so much emphasis to be placed onto my word 'attached'. I am more concerned by what rules my (entirely complete) body's behaviour and how socially assumed sexual freedom hasn't been ideal for me personally.
