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markules Right now I am experimenting with dilators to stop me from pulling out of the cage. I was able to pull out of every one of the 10+ cages I bought. Unfortunately I have cut both dilators in half because the whole one caused blood in my urine. Now I am used to wearing a dilator so I need to reconnect them using the metal pieces taken from another cage's dilator. The trick of heating the silicone with a lighter works wonders; it shrinks and adapts to the size of the metal part connecting the tubes.

However, I have made a terrible mistake, trying to connect a metal dilator with a silicone one which caused it being too large (in diameter). So it got stuck in my urethra! I had to pull it out by force and now have a bleeding penis But I guess that's just another failure on my chastity journey, I have learned from it.

I do believe several people of us have tried to warn you about putting stuff into your urethra, that stuff can be really unhealthy unless you really know what you are doing. As much as it is not really helpful to say it now, I cannot help but think along the lines of "told you so".

But honestly, I am quite happy for you that you can be so open with your father, that he does his best to understand your desires and help you improve yourself without pushing you more than you ask him to push you. From what you have outlined before, I am sure that he has no objections to the fact that you are keeping the keys to yourself for now. You obviously need to think things through, and to practice wearing a cage. It does not make sense to rush those things, and he will be there for you if and when you need his help. I do not think cold feet are burning any bridges, as nothing you said about him indicates that he expects a final decision at any time, it feels more like he has an idea of what you might ask of him one day and that he wants you to know he is willing to offer his help.

markules We agreed that IF (a large if, not when) we do it that there is nothing sexual involved.

Honestly, anything else would have been weird as hell. Even if it were just kink play with no actual intercourse involved, father-son incest would just be... no, just no. Probably still a good idea to make that clear when talking about genital restraints that are frequently sold as sex toys, but that something going on between a father and son is not a sex thing should really go without saying.

youdontknowme

youdontknowme I do believe several people of us have tried to warn you about putting stuff into your urethra, that stuff can be really unhealthy unless you really know what you are doing. As much as it is not really helpful to say it now, I cannot help but think along the lines of "told you so".

Yes, I acknowledge my own fault

youdontknowme Honestly, anything else would have been weird as hell. Even if it were just kink play with no actual intercourse involved, father-son incest would just be... no, just no. Probably still a good idea to make that clear when talking about genital restraints that are frequently sold as sex toys, but that something going on between a father and son is not a sex thing should really go without saying.

Yes, I completely agree with you, but I wanted to make it absolutely clear that this is not some kind of weird kink

Hi @Nate I have some more questions for you:

1. Would you stay locked if you would marry your boyfriend?
2. Does your boyfriend enjoy you being locked?
3. How does a milking feel like?
4. How would your parents react if they were informed that either your boyfriend or you had sex with each other? (You were unlocked for sex)
5. You keep your brother in chastity and refuse to give him more orgasms, is it because he made fun of you being caged?
6. Would you unlock him if he wants to have sex with a girl? (In this case both use contraception)
7. Would you recommend your brother to start milking? How would your parents react?
8. Has the chastity cage ever been used as a punishment?
9. How were the first nights in chastity?
10. How do you sleep now?
11. Do you get night time erections? (I know you can't normally get an erection, but night time erections are extremely strong in my case)
12. Do you know why your sports mate was locked? What do you know about his chastity exactly?
13. Do your other sport mates know that he has to wear one?
14. Do you watch porn or any material that excites you?
15. Would you like your social environment to know you are wearing a chastity cage? (In my case they all know it. I am waiting for them to make fun of it.
16. Would you work with seals with your brother such as @Lukas has, to prevent him from manipulating the chastity device?
17. What would be the punishment for pulling out?

Thank you and stay healthy!

@Nate I forgot to ask: How is the metal cage going?

markules

1. In our country, gay marriage still does not exist. But if it did, I would stay locked even after it.

2. Yes, and honestly, I like being locked by him too.

3. You feel your butt being spread, and you feel a need to get erect ... but except that I don't feel anything. After some time, it starts leaking, which feels like slowly peeing. It's a humiliating feeling at the start, but you can get used to it.

4. I think given that we agreed that my boyfriend would be in charge of my cage and they also know that he's my boyfriend, they would be okay with that ... as long as I was locked immediately after it.

5. The premise itself is wrong. I don't keep Jake locked; my parents do. And I don't give him more releases because he can get one at home each month.

6. Definitely not. That's why he's wearing the cage! And side note: I wouldn't want to watch them to ensure they do use contraception.

7. Since he's not legally an adult, he would have problems getting any toys to do it. Therefore, I decided not to tell him yet.

8. Not the cage itself; I've been caged 24/7. However, a release was sometimes skipped as a punishment.

9. (copy-paste from my previous post) Well, I kept instinctively putting my hands in my boxer briefs, trying to masturbate, only to find a plastic cage there and getting more frustrated. Of course, when it tried to get hard, it was awfully uncomfortable. There were even times when I got really desperate and tried humping the bed, but I couldn't feel anything, and Jake could laugh his butt off.

10. It's fine, but I still can't sleep on my belly.

11. Either it already stopped, or I stopped waking because of it. What unfortunately didn't stop are morning erections.

12. (copy-paste from my previous post) He was locked when he was 13, but for excessive masturbation too. We never asked each other for specific details of why we were locked. At first, he was wearing HolyTrainer too, but his parents then switched him to metal CB6000s and unlike me, he was released way less often.

13. Yeah. That my "incident" convinced him it would be fine to shower there (he showered at home in the beginning) and just came to showers in HolyTrainer (by that time, I already knew he was locked, the others didn't).

14. Yeah, although I try to avoid it as much as possible.

15. It would be nice if I could tell all my friends and not be immediately judged as a pervert.

16. Why? A lock is better than that ...

17. Spanking and being locked without release for a long time.

markules

It's quite heavy compared to what I originally thought or was in the description, but so far, it has been great. I already managed to go with it on my floorball training, and I noticed two things: the v4 ring is a lot better, I didn't need to lube it afterwards; on the other hand, you need way tighter underwear because of the added weight.

Nate Why? A lock is better than that ...

Those insertable locking cylinders like found on the HolyTrainers sacrifice a lot of security for compactness; I have the name-brand version of that lock and can open it with nothing but a flat piece of metal. The seal would not replace the lock, it would go along with the lock to help in situations where the lock itself might be weak - key theft, lock picking and all that kind of stuff. Hard to replace a numbered seal with an identical one when they come from a reputable manufacturer.

Nate The premise itself is wrong. I don't keep Jake locked; my parents do. And I don't give him more releases because he can get one at home each month.

But you have been authorized to allow additional releases, and you do not make use of that permission. Is that because you know from first-hand experience that once a month is enough to stay very functional as a teenage boy and fewer orgasms are better, or is it because you somehow feel he does not deserve to be out as much as your parents can accept=

youdontknowme

Well, I never tried to pick a lock, so I don't know about security of these. Also, how would you put a seal on the HolyTrainer? The hole is already fully occupied by the insertable lock ...

When I was Jake's age, I got released only once a month if I was good. I don't live with Jake, and I don't care about his grades etc. Also, I think that once a month is enough for him.

Nate Also, how would you put a seal on the HolyTrainer? The hole is already fully occupied by the insertable lock ...

Lukas has his through the lock itself. Plenty of space to feed a wire through while the lock is shut.

Nate When I was Jake's age, I got released only once a month if I was good. I don't live with Jake, and I don't care about his grades etc. Also, I think that once a month is enough for him.

The first part of the argument still makes it sound like you do not want him to have it any easier than you had it. As for the second part, I thought you do meet up regularly for hygiene unlocks, giving him a few minutes of alone time surely is not that much extra effort.

youdontknowme

Yeah, putting a write through the lock itself could be a solution. But that would obviously make the cage bigger and harder to maintain. Right now, I think that the lock is enough for us, and I hope it stays that way.

Well, to be really honest, since I was released once a month, it's probably my point of view that it's the optimum frequency for him too.

To the second part - what I meant is that my parents give him a release only if he's good. If I gave him a release in the middle of the month, skipping a release at the end wouldn't be anything for him. And I don't want to check his grades etc.; I really don't.

youdontknowme

I understand where are you going, but I still think releasing Jake once a month is okay, as it was for me. Also, if my math is correct, now his punishment is 2 months without release (1 month is before the denied release, and 1 month after).

Yeah, it was great to see Robin who was also going there in his cage, and he was glad too. It's always better when there are more locked people, as others don't see you as an exception to have a cage.

Nate I understand where are you going, but I still think releasing Jake once a month is okay, as it was for me. Also, if my math is correct, now his punishment is 2 months without release (1 month is before the denied release, and 1 month after).

Yeah, but you could take a different perspective, and say that the way things are now, a non-release punishment doubles his denial, and in that hypothetical, it would triple it. In either case, it would be a month longer than if he does well. And hey, you were given the discretion, so it is your choice in the end how to award them.

Nate Yeah, it was great to see Robin who was also going there in his cage, and he was glad too. It's always better when there are more locked people, as others don't see you as an exception to have a cage.

Be careful what you wish for. I am sure your teammates would not be happy if your wish for having more locked peers ended up costing them their genital freedom. Luckily for them, posting it on here is unlikely to have any effect.

I think it was while you were typing that I added the video link in my post above. If you are curious why I do not trust those insertable locks to keep anyone chaste without intrinsic motivation or supervision, feel free to take a look, I am not showing any body parts and nothing recognizable as a penis cage. The lock is a brand-name Burg-Wächter ME/2 by the way, sort of the original most of the Chinese cages are copying. Not sure where the HolyTrainer company sources their locks.

youdontknowme

Still, I don't see your math in this. Right now, if he's punished, he remains 2 months in the cage. In the scenario you're suggesting, it's a maximum of 1,5 months (14 days before the denial at home, then 14 days before me not giving him a release, and the final 14 days before we get home again). And like I said, I know that I was given the discretion, but I don't want to be the one who gives punishments or awards to him.

Hehe, I know they wouldn't like it (at least in the beginning), but hey, wouldn't it be actually better if our whole team was locked?

Also, thanks for the video, I see this lock has a security level of a regular screw. I'll try to check if our locks are also the vulnerable ones and, if so, whether there are any safe ones. I'm not a fan of the security seals as it's still an additional thing in your underwear. I'm sure Jake would hate it.

Nate Still, I don't see your math in this. Right now, if he's punished, he remains 2 months in the cage. In the scenario you're suggesting, it's a maximum of 1,5 months (14 days before the denial at home, then 14 days before me not giving him a release, and the final 14 days before we get home again). And like I said, I know that I was given the discretion, but I don't want to be the one who gives punishments or awards to him.

I just brought up your discretion again because I do not want to say you are making the wrong choice. The choice is yours alone, in the end (as long as it does not go against the margins ser by your parents. I was merely offering some different perspectives.
You know Jake, you probably know how he responds to one or two months of denial. But someone who is usually denied for two weeks might take a month and a half of denial harder than someone used to monthly releases takes two months.

Nate Also, thanks for the video, I see this lock has a security level of a regular screw. I'll try to check if our locks are also the vulnerable ones and, if so, whether there are any safe ones.

It is slightly better than a screw. It takes some jiggling and some practice, and it is only if I get "lucky" that the tweezers open the lock as quickly as a ley does. I might also have gotten a bit unlucky with the bitting of the key, maybe a lock where the depth of the middle pin differs a lot from the outer pins would be less vulnerable.

Nate Hehe, I know they wouldn't like it (at least in the beginning), but hey, wouldn't it be actually better if our whole team was locked?

Would certainly be an interesting twist if society were more chastity-positive. Maybe going out in public without a chastity device locked on would be seen as scandalous, like wearing excessively revealing clothing is in the world we live in.

youdontknowme

That may be true, but being denied for an additional month after spending one caged would be a bigger threat, no? Also, I think that the basic frequency of a month is enough for him as it was for me. Maybe it sounds a bit selfish, but that's how I see it.

I know how frustrated Jake is after a month or after two months locked; I'm still locked too, and parents used to skip releases as punishment for me as well. About a month is fine, and once per two months if you know milking.

Okay, I'll try the fiddle with the one spare lock we have to see if I can jiggle it open. So far, the easiest attempts failed (and I mean stupidly-easiest, as I'm not a locksmith). However, Jake is also not a locksmith, so if I can't open it, I'll consider it safe for him as well. As these locks are exclusive for chastity cages, I don't want to bring these to a professional.

Nate Hey Nate, thank you a lot for answering all of my questions. I am sorry if I ask redundant questions. I sometimes cannot remember what I asked

Nate Okay, I'll try the fiddle with the one spare lock we have to see if I can jiggle it open. So far, the easiest attempts failed (and I mean stupidly-easiest, as I'm not a locksmith). However, Jake is also not a locksmith, so if I can't open it, I'll consider it safe for him as well. As these locks are exclusive for chastity cages, I don't want to bring these to a professional.

I do believe the bitting may play a role. Two pins of my lock are almost exactly the same size, with the third one only slightly different. But still, even a more difficult pinning would only slow down someone motivated to get out a little. Quite hard to make locks that small that hold up against a serious effort to break out.

Those locks actually did have a use before chastity belt makers started using them: They can be used to block the keyholes of those old-fashioned locks you might see on room doors or cabinets - which is also the reason the keys are so freaking long. Most reviews on big online shops tend to focus on those uses, but then you see the "other recommended items" tab and you get numbered seals and various fetish items (Amazon had adult-sized baby clothes in there), so I think it is safe to say that those devices were so exotic that even something as niche as chastity devices signigicantly increased demand for that type of lock.

youdontknowme

I agree with that, but then there's the question of what are you trying to protect and from whom. I managed to open the spare lock after about two hours of fiddling with two paperclips, so I went ahead and after a quick mail I ordered (hopefully) more secure ones from a local chastity-dedicated shop.

About their use: wait, did you just say that a lock was used to lock a ... lock ?