Vanessa With some social distancing and a big waiting room,it is generally accepted,I think.
yes, but i'm with a doctor who only has a very small practice. is a family business, just like my father and me later 
Sara2001 I think starting a phone call while the doctor is talking with you, would be very rude.
right, i think so too, and it could also lead to strange questions
Sara2001 And you are not
at least not so much 
HHelen But an atmosphere in a doctor's office.
After a few years without any opportunities, a toilet in a doctor's office maybe can become an appropriate atmosphere, especially if you keep in mind that you have much more privacy at European toilet compared with American standards. At least that's what my father fears and to be honest, it's something I thought about in a way of possibilities I decided not to use for Daniel.
Sara2001 But the doctor would have seen this. I think starting a phone call while the doctor is talking with you, would be very rude.
Yes,but better than having no privacy.And you may tell you would prefer to know if your father is already here,or if you have to wait in the hot/cold/rain(depending on the day)...
Sara2001 This is how it was for me before the pandemic.
Very effective to be unable to cheat...
Angelina yes, but i'm with a doctor who only has a very small practice. is a family business, just like my father and me later
Yes,sin this case,it would harder for him to come with you in the waiting room.
Sara2001 After a few years without any opportunities, a toilet in a doctor's office maybe can become an appropriate atmosphere
I agree!
It probably haven't help him to trust @Sara2001 enough,yes.
Vanessa Yes,but better than having no privacy.And you may tell you would prefer to know if your father is already here,or if you have to wait in the hot/cold/rain(depending on the day)..
But why shouldn't I do this in the waiting room, especially during the pandemic I wouldn't be allowed to wait there anyway.
My father thinks that orgasm prevention for us has nothing to do with trust but he fears that we probably can't stand the urges, no matter what we want. He thinks supervision is necessary at all times when we are not in our belts and nothing can change it.
Sara2001 It's more that trusting us in this area is not an opinion. He strongly believe that control is better then trust is better in this area. No matter how good or bad we act.
It is normal if you could not control yourself after being in chastity for 5 years ..
so i can understand why your father didn't want to take any risks ..it has nothing to do with trust ..he knows that only control can prevent you from this and he is right in my opinion..
Vanessa Yes,sin this case,it would harder for him to come with you in the waiting room.
right but he can see most of it from outside, just not the doctor's room, so it makes almost no difference in our case.
Vanessa It is close to not trusting you about self-control,so.
But you must also admit that it is difficult to control yourself in this point.
I can understand it,even if I don't agree.
Do you think you would be able to not cheat if you have the opportunity,and be sure to not be caught?
Angelina But you must also admit that it is difficult to control yourself in this point.
I agree.
I doubt I would have enough self-control...
Vanessa I doubt I would have enough self-control...
that's how I see it with me too
Sara2001 I like to think so. I would have to lie to Daniel about it and this would make me feel very bad.
understandable, but that doesn't seem to convince your father enough for him to forego certain measures, does it?
Angelina understandable, but that doesn't seem to convince your father enough for him to forego certain measures, does it?
If I wouldn't have Daniel, I would for sure use absolutely any save opportunity. My father has not changed his points of view regarding masturbation since I am in a relationship with Daniel, why should he?
Sara2001 I thought about in a way of possibilities I decided not to use for Daniel.
Praiseful and far-sighted
Sara2001 I like to think so. I would have to lie to Daniel about it and this would make me feel very bad.
This is an important reason and a nice gift to Daniel. Your father should not interfere in your relation.
Vanessa Because he may know you don't want to lie to your fiancé about it.
From his point of view, I don't have to lie to him this way, too.
He trusts him, he believes me that I want all this and that I would not do anything like this just for Daniel, but he still thinks that prevention is the best option.
