Lana What you are saying is there will be more dead people. No there will be dead rapists and not innocent people.

As I wrote in a earlier posting it is unforgivable that something like this happened to you. It is a shame for our society that it still happens.

I will not start this kind of discussion who has the right to live and who not.
I was pointing out that also the criminals have guns. I do not see an improvement at this situation.

Some people say we should have more surveillance cameras everywhere. What kind of improvement would it be if after a crime was happen we can see it on the record and maybe sue the criminal. We should make the environment safe through sufficient police presence and strengthening of civil courage so that it does not come to a dangerous situation in the first place. I have seen it on the Reeperbahn in Hamburg where police groups are on the road or at the stations in Melbourne at the weekend. That has made a difference.

    Firstly,@Lana,being aggressive on men(especially at the start of the topic)would not lead to an interesting discussion,so please calm down.

    Lana

    It would be very awful for the women...

    But,for the wearers like me,it would not be a big change,except we can wear it without having to hide it...

    And it should end at marriage.

    I think it should apply to both genders,anyway,even if for men,it would be harder(due to the fact they need to get erect for health reasons,and to the fact it can be painful for them).

    Laura

    Even if engaged?

    Ines I edit fantasy tag

    Right.

    Lana they would invent a smart chastity belt which can be remotely opened by an app.

    Very useful for hackers,who could unlock or block the unlocking(already done for some chastity cages using such features).

    youdontknowme have a lot of gender-based double standards when it comes to promoting sexual abstinence.

    Typically the case for my twin and me.Not the same rules about it at all...

    Lana for the sole purpose of preventing masturbation.

    And sex before marriage,often.

    Avery this could become a problem.

    Only if addicted,and excessive.

    Angelina i feel like this is somehow going in the wrong direction and turning into a discussion about female versus male chastity

    Right...

    Lana As people have mentioned earlier, this is getting toxic and let's all stop discussing this issue and discuss something else.

    Maybe splitting this topic could be useful.

                        The word "pervert" comes up a lot in this thread. What unpleasant thread it was to read.

                          Jonas
                          I have said a lot of times that I can not understand the purpose of male chastity belts, however I have learned to respect.

                          Vanessa Firstly,@Lana,being aggressive on men(especially at the start of the topic)would not lead to an interesting discussion,so please calm down.

                          You are right. In a first time post did not seem, such aggressive, but now, I read it twice, and yes, even if I can not share the approach to male chastity, some words are not adequate.

                              Now, putting the issues with gender discrimination and how to deal with sex crime aside, here are some ways in which I could see a world where chastity is dictated by policy:

                              1) Institutional policy. Basically, though there is no law mandating chastity, several institutions (e.g. colleges) might mandate the wearing of chastity devices as a condition of enrolment. While claims that it would reduce distractions are quickly revealed to be false, it did cut down significantly on people who regret drunk sexual escapades.

                              2) Ya got a loicense for dat? Imagine like just how we require people to demonstrate that they are able to use their motor vehicles and firearms responsibly before we let them handle those in public, people were required to prove their ability to behave responsible sexually before they were allowed to go out in public without a chastity device on.

                              3) Cultural tradition. Again, no laws mandating any of that, but wearing a chastity belt might be a social norm. I will not start a discussion of starting age here, but wearing your first chastity device might be a coming-of-age right, and young adults living with their parents would have their keys held by them, married people would typically have their keys held by their spouse (to guarantee and demonstrate marital fidelity - this is not necessarily an act of submission, so mutual keyholding within a couple might be totally in line with the tradition). As for singles living on their own... either an older family member living nearby, or a trusted authority in the local community or a community-appointed guardian or something along those lines that ensures the wearer can keep themself sanitary without unchaste behavior. I am kinda getting the mental image of a medieval village where the priest is simultaneously teacher and therapist as well - in a more modern, religiously pluralistic setting something like a medical clinic or something could come to mind.

                                Angelina what would you say if the government exempted every woman who wears a chastity belt from paying taxes? i admit i would think about it

                                I'm a willing wearer. So I'd wear the belt, and use the proceeds to oppose the use of it to oppress people. All a government would have to do is pass punitive taxes to turn that tax exemption into coercion.

                                    Vanessa But,for the wearers like me,it would not be a big change,except we can wear it without having to hide it...

                                    And it should end at marriage.

                                    somehow, based on our situation, it would even be an advantage 😂

                                    Jonas The word "pervert" comes up a lot in this thread. What unpleasant thread it was to read.

                                    yes, this thread has an interesting title that is interesting to discuss, but unfortunately a lot of it here was more facebook niveu 🙁

                                    gwen All a government would have to do is pass punitive taxes to turn that tax exemption into coercion.

                                    of course, although i admit that if the government tempted me to exempt me from taxes, i might wear the belt for a while. because the only thing I find worse than involuntarily wearing a belt is involuntarily paying taxes 😉

                                            Lana shoot the rapists in the leg and report them

                                            Well, this escalated quickly. Lana, your comments reminds me of a few Whisper posts, where a woman said, "if I was a dictator, everyone who is not married would be forced to wear a chastity belt." Taking away anyone's freedom will always lead to a revolution (or more people to learn about tools to avoid such devices).

                                                Well, I am going to talk only in theorical way, but, I have to admit, further hypocrisy, that your approach makes me think about the point! 😅

                                                youdontknowme 1) Institutional policy. Basically, though there is no law mandating chastity, several institutions (e.g. colleges) might mandate the wearing of chastity devices as a condition of enrolment. While claims that it would reduce distractions are quickly revealed to be false, it did cut down significantly on people who regret drunk sexual escapades.

                                                I am against forced use, but, this is my second year in university and, frankly, I will not see badly that girls in university have to wear a chastity belt. I believe it could have very good consequences.
                                                I know that currently is impossible, but... just my opinion.

                                                youdontknowme Again, no laws mandating any of that, but wearing a chastity belt might be a social norm.

                                                In this case, I would be activist trying to become the use in law.

                                                youdontknowme As for singles living on their own... either an older family member living nearby, or a trusted authority in the local community or a community-appointed guardian or something along those lines that ensures the wearer can keep themself sanitary without unchaste behavior.

                                                Yes... I agree. However, in real life this has a lot of problems.

                                                        Raziel Well, this escalated quickly

                                                        this is what happens when you wear a belt and don't have sex 🤣

                                                        does anyone have a suggestion as to what a concrete draft law could look like, including the penalties for breaking the law? i would like to discuss this further, but a template would be good for this.

                                                            Ines I am against forced use

                                                            Ines In this case, I would be activist trying to become the use in law.

                                                            So, mandatory belting is only OK when everyone is belted, not just students?

                                                                  youdontknowme
                                                                  😂
                                                                  Do not take It seriously. In REAL WORLD I am totally against forced belting, I was playing a bit answering your approaches 1 and 3!
                                                                  😂

                                                                    I just found it interesting that your real-world concerns were given more attention in one scenario than in the other.

                                                                    Ines Yes... I agree. However, in real life this has a lot of problems.

                                                                    Of course; even if you decide to ignore the legal and cultural shifts that those scenarios require, there are practical issues that are even harder to overcome - every person in a country must be able to adapt to long-term wear of the "have the key out of reach" kind, probably within quite the limited time frame as well. And for the ladies, a full belt with all the struggles that come with an unyielding pair of steel underpants is pretty much the bare minimum - unlike us boys, you do not have any bulky external genitalia you could attach a cage to. Which makes the idea of nobody in that fictional culture being physically unable to comply with the law/tradition a bit challenging to say the least.

                                                                      youdontknowme So, mandatory belting is only OK when everyone is belted, not just students?

                                                                      that actually doesn't sound so illogical. for me, the question would always be: what do i get in return from the state?

                                                                        Laura

                                                                        May be enough to not be considered as a whore,even with no belt.

                                                                        youdontknowme

                                                                        How would you check it is respected,and not only worn when needed(for getting the license,for example)?

                                                                        Angelina somehow, based on our situation, it would even be an advantage 😂

                                                                        Sure!🙂

                                                                        Ines I believe it could have very good consequences.

                                                                        I can agree with it,thinking about some slutty women I knew when studying in university too...It could help some of them.😉

                                                                        Angelina this is what happens when you wear a belt and don't have sex 🤣

                                                                        🤣

                                                                                    youdontknowme Some guys do it 5 times a day and then cannot get it up if they find a willing partner. Those are the people for whom masturbation is a problem, and some people try to quit cold turkey like a smoker trying to stop smoking. Though seeking out a therapist may be a more productive idea than locking it up and throwing away the key, especially since unresolved arousal can lead to other forms of problematic behavior.

                                                                                    I would definitely classify masturbation as a potentially addictive behaviour, but I've not been convinced by arguments that such addictions always require therapy. People may smoke and over-eat because they are fruitlessly trying to fill gaps in their lives, but many also do these things simply because they feel nice.

                                                                                    From what I saw NoFap seems to be generally against the idea of chastity belts, preferring that converts to the path make mental changes that they hope will later be expressed as changes in behaviour. From my point of view, as someone who does feel they were addicted to masturbation, the chastity belt serves the same purpose as a lock on the cookie jar, or leaving the cigarettes in the shops. In short, I prefer to use a barrier method!

                                                                                    Am interested in the idea of unresolved arousal leading to problems, but would balance it with the idea that resolved arousal can re-enforce paraphilias.

                                                                                        Jonas I would definitely classify masturbation as a potentially addictive behaviour, but I've not been convinced by arguments that such addictions always require therapy. People may smoke and over-eat because they are fruitlessly trying to fill gaps in their lives, but many also do these things simply because they feel nice.

                                                                                        I would reckon that if your main motivation behind masturbation is that it feels nice, it is hard to classify it as addiction unless you spend so much time on it that it prevents you from doing other things. Generally, I would say an addiction is an unnecessary something you compulsively do without really enjoying it. But I feel like this off-topic tangent has overstayed its welcome, so if we want to continue discussing compulsive male masturbation, we should probably move towards another topic. Which is also the reason I will make two different posts here, makes it easier for moderators to split the topic if that is what they decide is appropriate.

                                                                                            Vanessa How would you check it is respected,and not only worn when needed(for getting the license,for example)?

                                                                                            Same way we do it with drivers. If you get into a random (or for-cause) check and are found to be driving without a license, you get a fine, or in egregious cases a court summons.

                                                                                            Probably not going to involve dropping your bottoms in broad daylight to check for fit though, so... uh... I do not know - electronic tagging perhaps? Little RFID tags in the chastity belts (and authorized keys, and unlock licenses) so anyone passing within close proximity of a checkpoint can be scanned to ensure they are wearing the belt and leaving their key behind if they do not have a license with them.

                                                                                                youdontknowme I would reckon that if your main motivation behind masturbation is that it feels nice, it is hard to classify it as addiction unless you spend so much time on it that it prevents you from doing other things.

                                                                                                "Feels nice" was a hint towards a possible hijack of brain's reward system. Where an individual's autonomy is compromised that could be seen by some to provide justification for external control.