Chastity belt law

Vanessa

Firstly,@Lana,being aggressive on men(especially at the start of the topic)would not lead to an interesting discussion,so please calm down.

Lana

It would be very awful for the women...

But,for the wearers like me,it would not be a big change,except we can wear it without having to hide it...

And it should end at marriage.

I think it should apply to both genders,anyway,even if for men,it would be harder(due to the fact they need to get erect for health reasons,and to the fact it can be painful for them).

Laura

Even if engaged?

Ines I edit fantasy tag

Right.

Lana they would invent a smart chastity belt which can be remotely opened by an app.

Very useful for hackers,who could unlock or block the unlocking(already done for some chastity cages using such features).

youdontknowme have a lot of gender-based double standards when it comes to promoting sexual abstinence.

Typically the case for my twin and me.Not the same rules about it at all...

Lana for the sole purpose of preventing masturbation.

And sex before marriage,often.

Avery this could become a problem.

Only if addicted,and excessive.

Angelina i feel like this is somehow going in the wrong direction and turning into a discussion about female versus male chastity

Right...

Lana As people have mentioned earlier, this is getting toxic and let's all stop discussing this issue and discuss something else.

Maybe splitting this topic could be useful.

Laura

Vanessa Even if engaged?

It shouldn't be an excemption

Ines

Jonas
I have said a lot of times that I can not understand the purpose of male chastity belts, however I have learned to respect.

Vanessa Firstly,@Lana,being aggressive on men(especially at the start of the topic)would not lead to an interesting discussion,so please calm down.

You are right. In a first time post did not seem, such aggressive, but now, I read it twice, and yes, even if I can not share the approach to male chastity, some words are not adequate.

Angelina

Vanessa But,for the wearers like me,it would not be a big change,except we can wear it without having to hide it...

And it should end at marriage.

somehow, based on our situation, it would even be an advantage 😂

Jonas The word "pervert" comes up a lot in this thread. What unpleasant thread it was to read.

yes, this thread has an interesting title that is interesting to discuss, but unfortunately a lot of it here was more facebook niveu 🙁

gwen All a government would have to do is pass punitive taxes to turn that tax exemption into coercion.

of course, although i admit that if the government tempted me to exempt me from taxes, i might wear the belt for a while. because the only thing I find worse than involuntarily wearing a belt is involuntarily paying taxes 😉

Vanessa

Laura

May be enough to not be considered as a whore,even with no belt.

youdontknowme

How would you check it is respected,and not only worn when needed(for getting the license,for example)?

Angelina somehow, based on our situation, it would even be an advantage 😂

Sure!🙂

Ines I believe it could have very good consequences.

I can agree with it,thinking about some slutty women I knew when studying in university too...It could help some of them.😉

Angelina this is what happens when you wear a belt and don't have sex 🤣

🤣

Jonas

The word "pervert" comes up a lot in this thread. What unpleasant thread it was to read.

youdontknowme

Now, putting the issues with gender discrimination and how to deal with sex crime aside, here are some ways in which I could see a world where chastity is dictated by policy:

1) Institutional policy. Basically, though there is no law mandating chastity, several institutions (e.g. colleges) might mandate the wearing of chastity devices as a condition of enrolment. While claims that it would reduce distractions are quickly revealed to be false, it did cut down significantly on people who regret drunk sexual escapades.

2) Ya got a loicense for dat? Imagine like just how we require people to demonstrate that they are able to use their motor vehicles and firearms responsibly before we let them handle those in public, people were required to prove their ability to behave responsible sexually before they were allowed to go out in public without a chastity device on.

3) Cultural tradition. Again, no laws mandating any of that, but wearing a chastity belt might be a social norm. I will not start a discussion of starting age here, but wearing your first chastity device might be a coming-of-age right, and young adults living with their parents would have their keys held by them, married people would typically have their keys held by their spouse (to guarantee and demonstrate marital fidelity - this is not necessarily an act of submission, so mutual keyholding within a couple might be totally in line with the tradition). As for singles living on their own... either an older family member living nearby, or a trusted authority in the local community or a community-appointed guardian or something along those lines that ensures the wearer can keep themself sanitary without unchaste behavior. I am kinda getting the mental image of a medieval village where the priest is simultaneously teacher and therapist as well - in a more modern, religiously pluralistic setting something like a medical clinic or something could come to mind.

Ines

Well, I am going to talk only in theorical way, but, I have to admit, further hypocrisy, that your approach makes me think about the point! 😅

youdontknowme 1) Institutional policy. Basically, though there is no law mandating chastity, several institutions (e.g. colleges) might mandate the wearing of chastity devices as a condition of enrolment. While claims that it would reduce distractions are quickly revealed to be false, it did cut down significantly on people who regret drunk sexual escapades.

I am against forced use, but, this is my second year in university and, frankly, I will not see badly that girls in university have to wear a chastity belt. I believe it could have very good consequences.
I know that currently is impossible, but... just my opinion.

youdontknowme Again, no laws mandating any of that, but wearing a chastity belt might be a social norm.

In this case, I would be activist trying to become the use in law.

youdontknowme As for singles living on their own... either an older family member living nearby, or a trusted authority in the local community or a community-appointed guardian or something along those lines that ensures the wearer can keep themself sanitary without unchaste behavior.

Yes... I agree. However, in real life this has a lot of problems.

gwen

Angelina what would you say if the government exempted every woman who wears a chastity belt from paying taxes? i admit i would think about it

I'm a willing wearer. So I'd wear the belt, and use the proceeds to oppose the use of it to oppress people. All a government would have to do is pass punitive taxes to turn that tax exemption into coercion.

Raziel

Lana shoot the rapists in the leg and report them

Well, this escalated quickly. Lana, your comments reminds me of a few Whisper posts, where a woman said, "if I was a dictator, everyone who is not married would be forced to wear a chastity belt." Taking away anyone's freedom will always lead to a revolution (or more people to learn about tools to avoid such devices).

Angelina

Raziel Well, this escalated quickly

this is what happens when you wear a belt and don't have sex 🤣

does anyone have a suggestion as to what a concrete draft law could look like, including the penalties for breaking the law? i would like to discuss this further, but a template would be good for this.

youdontknowme

Ines I am against forced use

Ines In this case, I would be activist trying to become the use in law.

So, mandatory belting is only OK when everyone is belted, not just students?

youdontknowme

I just found it interesting that your real-world concerns were given more attention in one scenario than in the other.

Ines Yes... I agree. However, in real life this has a lot of problems.

Of course; even if you decide to ignore the legal and cultural shifts that those scenarios require, there are practical issues that are even harder to overcome - every person in a country must be able to adapt to long-term wear of the "have the key out of reach" kind, probably within quite the limited time frame as well. And for the ladies, a full belt with all the struggles that come with an unyielding pair of steel underpants is pretty much the bare minimum - unlike us boys, you do not have any bulky external genitalia you could attach a cage to. Which makes the idea of nobody in that fictional culture being physically unable to comply with the law/tradition a bit challenging to say the least.

Ines

youdontknowme
😂
Do not take It seriously. In REAL WORLD I am totally against forced belting, I was playing a bit answering your approaches 1 and 3!
😂

Angelina

youdontknowme So, mandatory belting is only OK when everyone is belted, not just students?

that actually doesn't sound so illogical. for me, the question would always be: what do i get in return from the state?

youdontknowme

Vanessa How would you check it is respected,and not only worn when needed(for getting the license,for example)?

Same way we do it with drivers. If you get into a random (or for-cause) check and are found to be driving without a license, you get a fine, or in egregious cases a court summons.

Probably not going to involve dropping your bottoms in broad daylight to check for fit though, so... uh... I do not know - electronic tagging perhaps? Little RFID tags in the chastity belts (and authorized keys, and unlock licenses) so anyone passing within close proximity of a checkpoint can be scanned to ensure they are wearing the belt and leaving their key behind if they do not have a license with them.

Jonas

youdontknowme Some guys do it 5 times a day and then cannot get it up if they find a willing partner. Those are the people for whom masturbation is a problem, and some people try to quit cold turkey like a smoker trying to stop smoking. Though seeking out a therapist may be a more productive idea than locking it up and throwing away the key, especially since unresolved arousal can lead to other forms of problematic behavior.

I would definitely classify masturbation as a potentially addictive behaviour, but I've not been convinced by arguments that such addictions always require therapy. People may smoke and over-eat because they are fruitlessly trying to fill gaps in their lives, but many also do these things simply because they feel nice.

From what I saw NoFap seems to be generally against the idea of chastity belts, preferring that converts to the path make mental changes that they hope will later be expressed as changes in behaviour. From my point of view, as someone who does feel they were addicted to masturbation, the chastity belt serves the same purpose as a lock on the cookie jar, or leaving the cigarettes in the shops. In short, I prefer to use a barrier method!

Am interested in the idea of unresolved arousal leading to problems, but would balance it with the idea that resolved arousal can re-enforce paraphilias.

youdontknowme

Jonas I would definitely classify masturbation as a potentially addictive behaviour, but I've not been convinced by arguments that such addictions always require therapy. People may smoke and over-eat because they are fruitlessly trying to fill gaps in their lives, but many also do these things simply because they feel nice.

I would reckon that if your main motivation behind masturbation is that it feels nice, it is hard to classify it as addiction unless you spend so much time on it that it prevents you from doing other things. Generally, I would say an addiction is an unnecessary something you compulsively do without really enjoying it. But I feel like this off-topic tangent has overstayed its welcome, so if we want to continue discussing compulsive male masturbation, we should probably move towards another topic. Which is also the reason I will make two different posts here, makes it easier for moderators to split the topic if that is what they decide is appropriate.

Vanessa

Jonas I would definitely classify masturbation as a potentially addictive behaviour, but I've not been convinced by arguments that such addictions always require therapy. People may smoke and over-eat because they are fruitlessly trying to fill gaps in their lives, but many also do these things simply because they feel nice.

I agree.

youdontknowme it is hard to classify it as addiction unless you spend so much time on it that it prevents you from doing other things.

Right.

youdontknowme Generally, I would say an addiction is an unnecessary something you compulsively do without really enjoying it.

Good definition,I think.

youdontknowme electronic tagging perhaps? Little RFID tags in the chastity belts (and authorized keys, and unlock licenses) so anyone passing within close proximity of a checkpoint can be scanned to ensure they are wearing the belt and leaving their key behind if they do not have a license with them.

Not a bad idea.

But it should include something to be sure it is the right person wearing it,that it is locked,and with the right lock

youdontknowme maybe some people are into the more hands-on option.

At least,it can be sure it is rightly locked.

youdontknowme a significant amount of the population deciding it was not as bad as they feared?

No chance if not mandatory and not without an incentive to wear it.

Ines the girl lose opportunities of achieving universitary studies, jobs with good societal consideration...

Very strict for a single mistake!

youdontknowme I would hope there are ways a young woman could restore her honor, such as finding a husband who will accept her despite her "troubled" past, or going through a state-sanctioned penance like what Vanessa talked about in another topic.

It would be better,yes.

Avery But he had found a way to make the behavior inconvenient and he did eventually quit.

Interesting to know it worked.

Avery

It's like professional athletes who should not have sex the day before a game(not sure it is true,however).

Ines but it should not be a well societal accepted marriage. I mean, as you say, she is a lower cast.

Like a misalliance?

Ines only thing I support will be a mandatory wearing of chastity belt in University

Even if not willingly(which would probably be the case for some women if mandatory)?

Avery

I agree,it is pretty different.

gwen

🤣

Jonas

youdontknowme I would reckon that if your main motivation behind masturbation is that it feels nice, it is hard to classify it as addiction unless you spend so much time on it that it prevents you from doing other things.

"Feels nice" was a hint towards a possible hijack of brain's reward system. Where an individual's autonomy is compromised that could be seen by some to provide justification for external control.

Angelina

youdontknowme so if we want to continue discussing compulsive male masturbation, we should probably move towards another topic.

we have a thread about excessive mastubation if i remember correctly, i think that's the best place for it 😉

youdontknowme Same way we do it with drivers. If you get into a random (or for-cause) check and are found to be driving without a license, you get a fine, or in egregious cases a court summons.

that sounds kind of creepy. two policemen come up to me and check if my chastity belt is properly fitted and locked. that is cringe 😂

Renita

youdontknowme and leaving their key behind

How would they do it?

Avery

Jonas "Feels nice" was a hint towards a possible hijack of brain's reward system. Where an individual's autonomy is compromised that could be seen by some to provide justification for external control.

So generally how does this work, would someone in your situation have a keyholder or does one keep the key and wear the belt to reduce the chance of arousal and subsequently acting upon it? Sorry to be dense about this.

youdontknowme

Jonas

Jonas "Feels nice" was a hint towards a possible hijack of brain's reward system. Where an individual's autonomy is compromised that could be seen by some to provide justification for external control.

"Feels nice" as in "eases withdrawal and the brain can rationalize this as positive behavior is very different from actually feeling nice at least in how the behavior should be judged. And of course, withdrawal can be a good treatment for addiction, but it depends on the person. If someone responds badly to withdrawal, professional help may be advisable.

Avery So generally how does this work, would someone in your situation have a keyholder or does one keep the key and wear the belt to reduce the chance of arousal and subsequently acting upon it? Sorry to be dense about this.

Again, an individual thing. Jonas is happily married and his wife assists him in not letting him have unwanted orgasms, others might tr, managing themselves, though the latter may be difficult if the habit is bad enough to qualify as addiction.

Avery

youdontknowme Again, an individual thing. Jonas is happily married and his wife assists him in not letting him have unwanted orgasms, others might tr, managing themselves, though the latter may be difficult if the habit is bad enough to qualify as addiction.

Thanks but I would like to know what Jonas thinks.

Jonas

Avery Jonas "Feels nice" was a hint towards a possible hijack of brain's reward system. Where an individual's autonomy is compromised that could be seen by some to provide justification for external control.

Hello!

So generally how does this work, would someone in your situation have a keyholder or does one keep the key and wear the belt to reduce the chance of arousal and subsequently acting upon it? Sorry to be dense about this.

I guess it's a bit of both. A secure belt with a key out of reach prevents masturbation, but over time the habit itself is weakened by virtue of being blocked. So for example, if something triggers my urge to masturbate and I act out, that re-enforces the trigger, but where I am triggered but then prevented from masturbating, the trigger loses some of its power.

Also I purposefully avoid triggers when I know that they'll lead to frustration.

In terms of who keeps the key... well, I think a chastity belt has to prevent sex, masturbation and removal. Where I have access to the key, I don't think the belt actually counts as a chastity belt and I'll just take it off to masturbate, or even just to avoid the discomfort of wearing it.

Over the years I've experimented with my wife holding the key, using a time safe, or depositing it far away. We're wondering whether it would be feasible to have an external person holding it, or checking numbered seals, simply to increase security. The belt isn't really a dom/sub thing for us you see, it's just a tool to achieve a goal.., to keep my eyes on my partner and to stop me playing with myself.

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